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beam me up scottie

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32. I've been supporting Bernie since the 80's so don't bother lecturing this Vermonter on his record.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

He's never taken a dime from the NRA and his support of gun control has been consistent:

Sanders voted against the pro-gun-control Brady Bill, writing that he believes states, not the federal government, can handle waiting periods for handguns. In 1994, he voted yes on an assault weapons ban. He has voted to ban some lawsuits against gun manufacturers and for the Manchin-Toomey legislation expanding federal background checks.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm



Bernie Sanders’ critics misfire: The Vermont senator’s gun record is better than it looks

....However, the Nation and the other reports like it don’t shed real light on where Sanders is coming from. They don’t explain why he supports some gun controls but not others. Nor do they ask if there’s a consistency to Sanders’ positions and votes over the years? They simply suggest that Bernie’s position is muddled and makes a good target for Hillary.

Yet there is an explanation. It’s consistent and simpler than many pundits think. And it’s in Bernie’s own words dating back to the campaign where he was first elected to the U.S. House—in 1990—where he was endorsed by the NRA, even after Sanders told them that he would ban assault rifles. That year, Bernie faced Republican incumbent Peter Smith, who beat him by less than 4 percentage points in a three-way race two years before.

In that 1988 race, Bernie told Vermont sportsmen that he backed an assault weapons ban. Smith told the same sportsmen’s groups that he opposed it, but midway through his first term he changed his mind and co-sponsored an assault rifle ban—even bringing an AK-47 to his press conference. That about-face was seen as a betrayal and is the background to a June 1990 debate sponsored by the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs.

I was at that debate with Smith and three other candidates—as the Sanders’ campaign press secretary—and recorded it. Bernie spoke at length three times and much of what he said is relevant today, and anticipates his congressional record on gun control ever since. Look at how Bernie describes what being a sportsperson is in a rural state, where he is quick to draw the line with weapons that threaten police and have no legitimate use in hunting—he previously was mayor of Vermont’s biggest city, and his record of being very clear with the gun lobby and rural people about where he stands. His approach, despite the Nation’s characterization, isn’t “open-minded.”

As you can see, Bernie—who moved to rural northeastern Vermont in the late 1960s—has an appreciation and feeling for where hunting and fishing fit into the lives of lower income rural people. He’s not a hunter or a fisherman. When he grew up in Brooklyn, he was a nerdy jock—being captivated by ideas and a high school miler who hoped for a track scholarship for college. But like many people who settled in Vermont for generations, he was drawn to its freer and greener pastures and respected its local culture.

“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”

That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/10/what_bernies_gun_control_critics_get_wrong_partner/


Alternet: Bernie's Gun Control Critics Are Wrong—His Stance Has Been Consistent for Decades

Next, the 1990 debate turned to gun control. The moderator, who clearly was a Second Amendment absolutist, went after Bernie—to test his mettle after Smith’s about-face.

“Do you support additional restrictions on firearms? Do you support additional restrictive firearms legislation?” he asked. “Bernie Sanders, explain yourself, yes or no?”

“Yes,” he replied. “Two years ago, I went before the Vermont Sportsman’s Federation and was asked exactly the same question. It was a controversial question. I know how they felt on the issue. And that was before the DiConcini Bill. That was before a lot of discussion about the Brady Bill. That was before New Jersey and California passed bills limiting assault weapons.

“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”

That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

“I said that before the election,” he continued. “The Vermont sportspeople, as is their right, made their endorsement. The endorsed Peter Smith. They endorsed Paul Poirier. I lost that election by about three-and-one-half percentage points, a very close election. Was my failure to get that endorsement pivotal? It might have been. We don’t know. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn’t. All I can say is I told the sportspeople of Vermont what I believe before the election and I am going to say it again.

“I do believe we need to ban certain types of assault weapons. I have taked to police chiefs. I have talked to the police officers out on the street. I have read some of the literature all over this country. Police chiefs, police officers are concerned about the types of weapons which are ending up in the hands of drug dealers and other criminals and our police oficers are getting outgunned.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernies-gun-control-critics-are-wrong-his-stance-has-been-consistent-decades


Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban

WASHINGTON, April 17 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today voted for expanded background checks on gun buyers and for a ban on assault weapons but the Senate rejected those central planks of legislation inspired by the shootings of 20 first-grade students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.

“Nobody believes that gun control by itself is going to end the horrors we have seen in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz. and other American communities,” Sanders said. “There is a growing consensus, however, in Vermont and across America that we have got to do as much as we can to end the cold-blooded, mass murders of innocent people. I believe very strongly that we also have got to address the mental health crisis in our country and make certain that help is available for people who may be a danger to themselves and others,” Sanders added.

The amendment on expanded background checks needed 60 votes to pass but only 54 senators voted for it. “To my mind it makes common sense to keep these weapons out of the hands of people with criminal records or mental health histories,” Sanders said.

Under current federal law, background checks are not performed for tens of thousands of sales – up to 40 percent of all gun transfers – at gun shows or over the Internet. The amendment would have required background checks for all gun sales in commercial settings regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer. The compromise proposal would have exempted sales between “family, friends, and neighbors.”

In a separate roll call, the Senate rejected a proposal to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. That proposal was defeated by a vote of 60 to 40.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban


Bernie Sanders voted for the 1994 crime bill because it included the Violence against Women Act and assault weapons ban:

In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.

A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."

Sanders reiterated his opposition to capital punishment in 2015. "I just don’t think the state itself, whether it’s the state government or federal government, should be in the business of killing people," he said on a radio show.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/


If he's a pro-NRA/pro-gun politician why did the NRA give him a lifetime D- rating?


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This is entirely correct... Sancho Jan 2016 #1
+1. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #2
You mean he tried to represent the state he represents? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #11
No, that's not what I mean. Sancho Jan 2016 #29
And national policy should revolve around the second least populated state in the country.... George II Jan 2016 #40
Well, we have a representational democracy Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #41
It's irresponsible of him to claim that he votes on NATIONAL policy "for his constituency"... George II Jan 2016 #42
So Vermont shouldn't have senators? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #43
You realize that.Vermonters are pro immigration, right? cali Jan 2016 #45
Here is a reality - this is not enough to get me to vote for Hillary. djean111 Jan 2016 #3
+1000000 n/t MissDeeds Jan 2016 #5
He does NOT purport to not be a politician. Total bullshit. thereismore Jan 2016 #4
Is there a gun bill going through the senate or is this supposed to be a "Bernghazi!!!" Autumn Jan 2016 #6
Team Hillary is running out of ammo virtualobserver Jan 2016 #7
I'm from team O'Malley bigtree Jan 2016 #9
I feel that the criticisms of Bernie's gun record are overblown virtualobserver Jan 2016 #21
in my case bigtree Jan 2016 #8
The author is comparing apples to oranges. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #13
on that point, I agree bigtree Jan 2016 #18
But the NRA gives other politicians much better ratings. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #20
I think he's representing hunting and gun sports bigtree Jan 2016 #23
The evidence is very much that he was protecting the gun industry; and not Vermont. Sancho Jan 2016 #31
I've been supporting Bernie since the 80's so don't bother lecturing this Vermonter on his record. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #32
...and I've been a gun owner 60 years and until the 70's I was in the NRA. Sancho Jan 2016 #36
An NRA "dream" with a D minus lifetime rating? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #37
Here's what I think about the NRA ratings... Sancho Jan 2016 #38
Breitbart? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #39
You must be confused.. Sancho Jan 2016 #30
No I'm fairly certain you're the one who's confused. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #34
No "shifting stance". Nice try though. Bernin4U Jan 2016 #10
of course, I disagree bigtree Jan 2016 #14
What votes were wrong (for anybody, VT aside)? Bernin4U Jan 2016 #17
few things bigtree Jan 2016 #22
Last point first. Bernin4U Jan 2016 #27
NRA gives Sanders a D- Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #12
I've never found that argument the least convincing bigtree Jan 2016 #16
So the NRA is just sleepering all of us. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #19
First and formost zalinda Jan 2016 #15
Everyone knows Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #24
A political calculation then, when he voted. A political calculation now, rural white voters. Alfresco Jan 2016 #25
An opportunist. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #35
Riddle Me This - Why Is A Firearms Manufacturer Responsible For Unsafe Product Operation cantbeserious Jan 2016 #26
K & R, good post Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #28
He's a politician that claims to not be a politician. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #33
Bernie was representing the people of his state, aka His job Lordquinton Jan 2016 #44
he represented hunters and gun enthusiasts against victims of gun violence around the country bigtree Jan 2016 #46
See, Bernie is part of the 99%. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #47
He is addressing the real issues behind gun violence Lordquinton Jan 2016 #49
I couldn't care less about Bernie's stance on guns ram2008 Jan 2016 #48
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