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Fire Walk With Me

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58. There are people upthread who are missing a few things...
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 07:51 AM
Aug 2013

-Without the commons, it is very difficult to come together and gain the momentum of purpose and unity required for change.
-The intent is for everyone to become a leader, for everyone to have an equal voice. We have spent far too long waiting for THEM to solve the problems affecting us, waiting for THEM to get it together, that most of us have forgotten what it's like to self-determine to the extent required to make it work, especially together at a national level. That is also where the "participatory" aspect activates: some may simply never rise to their own best ability and that's okay.
-Leaders would either be dead or in jail, period. Remember the FBI uncovering (and doing nothing) about a Texas plot to assassinate OWS leaders if deemed neccessary? And how many of us they jailed? I watched a few persons in local Occupy get singled out by the cops again and again and again as they desperately searched for leaders.
-You are missing that the GAs, the leaderless aspect, that many aspects of OWS across the nation and world were emergent. There were no votes across all of the encampments on these issues. They simply occurred as being natural and right.
-The cops beat us up and sent the 1%/government's message to stay home and shut up. Most people don't want to face that, which is why it works.
-A populist uprising requires the population's participation.
-Again, so much is wrong and requires change that our single message is that very much is wrong and must be changed; join us and work towards it because together we can and will succeed. The issues we face are myriad. There is no simple soundbite to please those who require a simple soundbite. Perhaps more skill is required in this area in regard to outreach (I myself am unskilled) but the nationally-perceived call to work inspired and attracted so many incredibly bright people it was stunning and inspiring. Which again is why we require "commons" to gather and organize and toss around concepts for extrapolation.
-Free healthcare is an absolute anomaly and must not be taken as a national or international given. A single injury or disease can destroy many families who now live from paycheck to paycheck.
-We ARE successful in having instilled the message of income inequality, fairness, money out of politics, corporate influence of our country, and the human rights of living wages, health care, housing, education, and more. Note people striking across the country for these things and against these things in ever-increasing waves. It's beginning again. Enough of the population are sick of "it" and are willing to begin standing up to demand and create something better. All previous uprisings and protests give permission and models to them.
-This is not over.

"OWS - Where have they gone?" [View all] Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 OP
I support what you are doing but not how. Too many issues that are symptoms, go after the root Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #1
1000% right Dustlawyer sorefeet Aug 2013 #3
Campaign corruption is just one more symptom starroute Aug 2013 #4
I don't think that publicly funded elections would be ineffectual, I think it would be Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #18
I agree it could be more likely to happen, but not that it would do any good starroute Aug 2013 #20
The government can restrict the 1st amendment if it can show a compelling governmental interest. Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #21
I don't think election reform is the number one issue. Blanks Aug 2013 #57
kick /nt Dragonfli Aug 2013 #2
Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #5
This is true but... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #6
Our agenda is very clear; the issues are myriad, perhaps legion Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9
Sorry, I disagree Phillyindy Aug 2013 #12
You have to remember OWS is an emergent, a paradigm shift away from greed and selfishness. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #13
Sounds like... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #15
Sorry, waxing philosopic there. My main interest is spirituality so that sometimes bleeds Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #16
Many people wrote off OWS once it became apparent Maedhros Aug 2013 #26
To an extent... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #28
Agreed. Maedhros Aug 2013 #30
And please never forget that "democratic" and "progressive" mayors are among the worst offenders Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #32
Yes - both sides of the political divide cooperated Maedhros Aug 2013 #55
The Buckminster Fuller quote: yes (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #35
There's a lot of truthiness in your post, and I don't mean it in a derogatory way. reusrename Aug 2013 #27
Civil rights, worker rights, and environmental law movements have all failed bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #36
Is this a joke? Phillyindy Aug 2013 #43
The agenda was NOT clear and that is because there was no leadership. MADem Aug 2013 #31
"Responsibility and authority" would have turned OWS into ...what? bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #37
When you have leaders who take responsibility and have the authority to act for the benefit of the MADem Aug 2013 #40
AMEN. (Nt) Phillyindy Aug 2013 #44
Oh - And what's with the contempt for the homeless and hungry? bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #38
What "contempt?" MADem Aug 2013 #41
Many here... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #42
Thank you. I wanted them to succeed, but it was not to be. MADem Aug 2013 #47
Pretty much. (Nt) Phillyindy Aug 2013 #48
The "programs" for the homeless have left them under the bridge too bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #45
Way to miss my point....again! MADem Aug 2013 #46
My local Occupy runs a weekly free medical clinic each Sunday here, open to all, even to you! Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #49
Those things are... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #51
Here is what I responded to, all about how Occupy should do what they are doing here: Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #52
How nice of you. I pay for my medical -- it's not expensive as I am a military retiree. MADem Aug 2013 #54
It's almost like.. Phillyindy Aug 2013 #50
That poster said 'they should start their own programs' then you attacked them for doing so. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #53
I answered your question, FWIW. MADem Aug 2013 #56
k and r niyad Aug 2013 #7
K & R, Period. TheJames Aug 2013 #8
K&R! nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #10
K&R Saviolo Aug 2013 #11
Everybody branched out into various activities. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #14
DURec!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #17
Second that, bvar22 (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #39
To every thing, there is a season Demeter Aug 2013 #19
Big K&R! nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #22
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #23
Thank you for all your efforts. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #24
The only quibble I have is where the ACLU says debt is their business model. reusrename Aug 2013 #25
We Need More 99 Percent People To Get What's Going On And Engage. colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #29
Wow. What a beautiful post. woo me with science Aug 2013 #33
OWS was a temporary autonomous response to worsening corporate stupidity,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #34
There are people upthread who are missing a few things... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #58
Occupy Lives warrprayer Aug 2013 #59
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