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seabeyond

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18. BB, there is so much in this article. i have tried finding mra perspective
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:37 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:25 AM - Edit history (1)

and find it very hard to address. they take the top surface of an issue and put out as a fact and reality and ignore all the tentacles, very real issues that they themselves create and dont own.

take the dumbing down of men in commercials and sitcoms, doofuses. men are creating these sitcoms. many men cheer it on. in our home, since the kids were little (having two boys), i never allowed this to be fed to my boys without addressing what media was doing. men like the idea of the forever idea that they cannot clean. why? cause then it gives them an excuse and gives it to the women. men like the idea that they are nothing but beer drinking, sports watching slobs. and these men especially like the promotion from the beginning of time they are directed and guided in life by their dick and women are only placed on this planet to service them. because it allows them dominance and control. we see it on du, continually promoted as who they are.

it is these conditioning's of gender, with our boys or our girls, that we are conditioning them to be, that is not their authentic to self. and what i often am addressing.

on the other hand, they present an article saying "occasionally" discriminate against women in advancements/promotions. there is nothing occasional about it. it is a network. all us that went to college understand how networking works and the inherent disadvantage to women and rise on the corporate ladder.

when reading about women wanting to be more involved with children. well hey, another societal conditioning. as we have seen, if circumstances are such where the man has the opportunity, he is right there. BUT... per the SAHM thread, this is where iverglas is right on. we talk about what the SAHM brings to the family fiscally. this would be it. when there is one person in the home (and has significantly been the woman) it allows the partner to put all those hours in and have advancements/promotions/raises at the detriment of all employees that have outside life. so, the SAHM really is helping the continuation of the unlevel playing field of male advancement.

i have read these articles from mra. they are very challenging in so many ways. what i consistently note is they do NOT take responsibility for their own feeding of all this.

but then, i can say the same about women.

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Tear it apart- please [View all] boston bean Apr 2012 OP
Of course vozems will be hired over zems. They appear willing to work for less money. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #1
Yeah, right. Women are just fine and dandy with working for less money. boston bean Apr 2012 #2
Whether they are fine or dandy with it or not, that is the reality. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #3
The fact is men still make more. Even with everything you just said, they still make more. boston bean Apr 2012 #4
Women do not accept less. They are essentially given a take it or leave it proposition. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #5
That discounts the true reason for the disparity boston bean Apr 2012 #6
Goodness. You are missing my point entirely. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #8
Hostility and anger? boston bean Apr 2012 #9
Just a vibe. Apologies if I offended. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #10
i saw this in a jon stewart video two nights ago seabeyond Apr 2012 #11
Not offended, but you had the wrong vibes. boston bean Apr 2012 #12
Not arguing that the discrimination is there. And blatant. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #23
Exactly right. That's how it is over here as well... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #7
you two really got off on the wrong feet! iverglas Apr 2012 #13
I thought we were having a conversation. Gecko thought I was angry and hostile. I don't think he boston bean Apr 2012 #14
I'd give my take on what's actually going on... laconicsax Apr 2012 #15
Well, I would have like to read it. boston bean Apr 2012 #16
I can give an incomplete summary that should be fine. laconicsax Apr 2012 #20
a link to the Southern Poverty Law Center (edited) iverglas Apr 2012 #21
I've had an OP rattling around in my head for a little while. laconicsax Apr 2012 #22
I'm interested in your POV as well... hlthe2b Apr 2012 #17
BB, there is so much in this article. i have tried finding mra perspective seabeyond Apr 2012 #18
in a nutshell: iverglas Apr 2012 #19
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