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iverglas

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19. and that European stuff ...
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:38 PM
Apr 2012
In Europe, especially France, Italy and Spain, it is accepted for men and women to pay attention to their that attractiveness, self-presentation, and grooming, and this is highly valued. One of the most delightful companies I have ever worked for was a luxury goods group where everyone, without exception, was well-groomed, charming and flirtatious.

Who the hell cares, really?

And really, a "luxury goods group"? Somehow, I think the people who worked there were chosen for their grooming, charm and sexiness. What the hell is that telling us?? Maybe that people who have better things to think about and spend their time on than their hair aren't hired? I don't think those adjectives actually mean "clean, neat, pressed and pleasant"; they mean dyed, made up, personal-trainered, surgically altered where necessary, balanced on dangerous and painful devices, spending a lot of money on it all, and adhering to heterosexual stereotypes in their workplace relationships. And pretty obviously, we're not talking about a majority of Europeans, by a long chalk. Class comes into this rather a lot, I would think.

And I'm still very sure that the range permitted men within those qualifiers -- age, body type, personality, expected corrective measures -- is just a lot broader than for women. If a woman looked like Nicholas Sarkozy ...
The term, "men need to be needed” translates to no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #1
I fear that until we have another generation or two of "feminist-raised" men... hlthe2b Apr 2012 #2
the 80's we were heading in the right direction. 90's i saw something manifesting. seabeyond Apr 2012 #3
Ah yes, that wonderful male entitlement to an unpaid house servant Warpy Apr 2012 #4
lol seabeyond Apr 2012 #5
A successful relationship is a partnership of equals tularetom Apr 2012 #6
my wife "needs" me, the only thing I could probably come up with was to open the pickle jar. seabeyond Apr 2012 #7
Actually 49 years & 8 months - 50 years this August tularetom Apr 2012 #12
congrats! my parents on going on their 68th anniversary in September! Scout Apr 2012 #13
An excellent commentary. CrispyQ Apr 2012 #8
Our culture is a cesspool & we just keep cranking out more & more broken human beings who get in seabeyond Apr 2012 #9
i would always rather be in a relationship where we both WANT each other.... Scout Apr 2012 #10
True nice guys are only entitled to self doubt. One_Life_To_Give Apr 2012 #11
I'm glad it mentioned mail-order brides iverglas Apr 2012 #14
thank you for an excellent post. Scout Apr 2012 #15
Exploiting Beauty in the Workplace seabeyond Apr 2012 #16
You're the sex class and will always be the sex class, redqueen Apr 2012 #17
This is the advice from a female sociology professor? yup seabeyond Apr 2012 #18
and that European stuff ... iverglas Apr 2012 #19
re: that European stuff redqueen Apr 2012 #20
Berlusconi & DSK .... seabeyond Apr 2012 #22
Yep. redqueen Apr 2012 #23
take it a step further in all their sophistication. women lie about being married to not be sexually seabeyond Apr 2012 #21
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