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iverglas

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21. a link to the Southern Poverty Law Center (edited)
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:01 PM
Apr 2012

should be entirely appropriate at DU!

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/myths-of-the-manosphere-lying-about-women

(claims vs. facts)


edit -- google splc "men's rights" to find a whooole lot more.

A pretty good summation:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women

Ball’s suicide brought attention to an underworld of misogynists, woman-haters whose fury goes well beyond criticism of the family court system, domestic violence laws, and false rape accusations. There are literally hundreds of websites, blogs and forums devoted to attacking virtually all women (or, at least, Westernized ones) — the so-called “manosphere,” which now also includes a tribute page for Tom Ball (“He Died For Our Children”). While some of them voice legitimate and sometimes disturbing complaints about the treatment of men, what is most remarkable is the misogynistic tone that pervades so many. Women are routinely maligned as sluts, gold-diggers, temptresses and worse; overly sympathetic men are dubbed “manginas”; and police and other officials are called their armed enablers. Even Ball — who did not directly blame his ex-wife for his troubles, but instead depicted her and their three children as co-victims of the authorities — vilified “man-hating feminists” as evil destroyers of all that is good.

This kind of woman-hatred is increasingly visible in most Western societies, and it tends to be allied with other anti-modern emotions — opposition to same-sex marriage, to non-Christian immigration, to women in the workplace, and even, in some cases, to the advancement of African Americans. Just a few weeks after Ball’s death, while scorch marks were still visible on the sidewalk in Keene, N.H., that was made clear once more by a Norwegian named Anders Behring Breivik.

On July 22, Breivik slaughtered 77 of his countrymen, most of them teenagers, in Oslo and at a summer camp on the island of Utøya, because he thought they or their parents were the kinds of “politically correct” liberals who were enabling Muslim immigration. But Breivik was almost as voluble on the subjects of feminism, the family, and fathers’ rights as he was on Islam. “The most direct threat to the family is ‘divorce on demand,’” he wrote in the manifesto he posted just before he began his deadly spree. “The system must be reformed so that the father will be awarded custody rights by default.”

The manosphere lit up. Said one approving poster at The Spearhead, an online men’s rights magazine for the “defense of ourselves, our families and our fellow men”: “What could be more ‘an eye for an eye’ than to kill the children of those who were so willing to destroy men’s families and destroy the homeland of men?”


Wowsers. I didn't know that about Breivik (it puts him right up there with Marc Lépine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine when it comes to woman-hating mass murderers). And I actually wasn't aware these "men's rights" types were quite that virulent.

This really does call for forthright discussion, here at DU.

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Tear it apart- please [View all] boston bean Apr 2012 OP
Of course vozems will be hired over zems. They appear willing to work for less money. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #1
Yeah, right. Women are just fine and dandy with working for less money. boston bean Apr 2012 #2
Whether they are fine or dandy with it or not, that is the reality. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #3
The fact is men still make more. Even with everything you just said, they still make more. boston bean Apr 2012 #4
Women do not accept less. They are essentially given a take it or leave it proposition. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #5
That discounts the true reason for the disparity boston bean Apr 2012 #6
Goodness. You are missing my point entirely. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #8
Hostility and anger? boston bean Apr 2012 #9
Just a vibe. Apologies if I offended. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #10
i saw this in a jon stewart video two nights ago seabeyond Apr 2012 #11
Not offended, but you had the wrong vibes. boston bean Apr 2012 #12
Not arguing that the discrimination is there. And blatant. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #23
Exactly right. That's how it is over here as well... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #7
you two really got off on the wrong feet! iverglas Apr 2012 #13
I thought we were having a conversation. Gecko thought I was angry and hostile. I don't think he boston bean Apr 2012 #14
I'd give my take on what's actually going on... laconicsax Apr 2012 #15
Well, I would have like to read it. boston bean Apr 2012 #16
I can give an incomplete summary that should be fine. laconicsax Apr 2012 #20
a link to the Southern Poverty Law Center (edited) iverglas Apr 2012 #21
I've had an OP rattling around in my head for a little while. laconicsax Apr 2012 #22
I'm interested in your POV as well... hlthe2b Apr 2012 #17
BB, there is so much in this article. i have tried finding mra perspective seabeyond Apr 2012 #18
in a nutshell: iverglas Apr 2012 #19
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