History of Feminism

MadrasT

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8. Was right with you

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:01 PM

Apr 2012

Last edited Sun Apr 22, 2012, 08:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Until that last sentence.

"Action" aside, in my (male dominated) industry, the most successful men are misogynistic bullies. They are socially and professionally rewarded for that behavior. To be part of the upper tier, you have to be part of their "team".

Back to the "action" part, it seems to me that sure, there certain types of women are attracted to those types of men. But "women love assholes" is a ridiculously broad brush.

I guess from a male perspective, it depends on what type of woman you want to attract.

I don't tolerate assholes well, so I was happy to remove myself from that game.

(I am more just thinking out loud than talking specifically to you, WingDinger. Not trying to attack you with my comments, because in general, yeah, I see that behavior rewarded in many ways. If it wasn't rewarded - mostly by other powerful misogynistic assholes, I don't think it would still be so pervasive.)

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For those who think I rant about the patriarchy and misogyny too much [View all] seabeyond Apr 2012 OP

Very good. But it makes me sick to read things like that because I've already LiberalLoner Apr 2012 #1

You Can Rant TheMastersNemesis Apr 2012 #2

thank you for your post. seabeyond Apr 2012 #3

Going Back To The Future TheMastersNemesis Apr 2012 #15

"Letting their lies remain even for an instant is damaging. " yes, this is what i see. seabeyond Apr 2012 #28

The problem is WingDinger Apr 2012 #4

Ugh, really? redqueen Apr 2012 #5

Ask any boy. If sociopathy had zero payoff, why would they even try? WingDinger Apr 2012 #6

from day one, i have taught boys to be their better self, in all manners. what a parents job is seabeyond Apr 2012 #7

Not how I grew up. WingDinger Apr 2012 #9

hey... i get it. you are right seabeyond Apr 2012 #11

*sigh* I'm supposed to ask boys for insight? redqueen Apr 2012 #10

nobody says "men like jerks"... they say men like hot women seabeyond Apr 2012 #12

Simple logic destroys that ego-stroking nonsense... redqueen Apr 2012 #20

When things are pervasive, there are questions worth asking. To assume that WingDinger Apr 2012 #23

harks back to ... always, must. spread. seed. EVERYTHING goes to that seabeyond Apr 2012 #26

+1 nt Deep13 Apr 2012 #32

Whether the bullshit is reality or not, it is what boys growing up see. WingDinger Apr 2012 #13

Except you asserted that it WAS reality in your first response to this thread. redqueen Apr 2012 #16

Depending on where you spend your time growing up, it is. WingDinger Apr 2012 #17

I wonder how you would feel, if you didn't date an ex playmate of the year. boston bean Apr 2012 #42

Just like most of the time. WingDinger Apr 2012 #48

You opened that line of conversation by mentioning your inability to get as much "ACTION" redqueen Apr 2012 #52

one of the many conversations with son recently. society is so conditioning girls, like never before seabeyond Apr 2012 #45

Was right with you MadrasT Apr 2012 #8

I hope that 'attack you with my comments' wasn't a reference to my post. redqueen Apr 2012 #14

When you characterize men being honest as idiocy, and bunk, do you elevate discussion? WingDinger Apr 2012 #18

Sorry, but the "women like assholes" canard is not "men being honest"... it's a canard. redqueen Apr 2012 #19

Do you even get that I am on your side? WingDinger Apr 2012 #21

I get that you're trying to help. redqueen Apr 2012 #22

You dont get my hackles up, or chase me away. I like you. WingDinger Apr 2012 #24

. seabeyond Apr 2012 #29

back to the article. i wonder. as a man reading, that the "game", "play" these men and boys seabeyond Apr 2012 #30

Truthfully, I dont see how girls/women TRUST enough to date. WingDinger Apr 2012 #31

i will say.... seabeyond Apr 2012 #35

Courageous honest women like you is how we advance. WingDinger Apr 2012 #36

Some courageous and honest men would be very helpful, too. boston bean Apr 2012 #41

isnt that always the way..... i read a thead in GD seabeyond Apr 2012 #43

Far from it. We need to TEACH boys proper gender ettiquitte. WingDinger Apr 2012 #49

lol. uh huh. gosh how there is a wave to shut us up. seabeyond Apr 2012 #44

You say, "'Yes, but...' is ALWAYS the wrong answer to misogyny." My answer is "Yes, but...." Jim Lane Apr 2012 #54

i like this seabeyond Apr 2012 #55

The "Yes, but..." I was referring to was not all inclusive. redqueen Apr 2012 #59

Hi redqueen MadrasT Apr 2012 #51

Thanks. redqueen Apr 2012 #53

why? seabeyond Apr 2012 #56

Short answer MadrasT Apr 2012 #64

Thanks seabeyond Apr 2012 #65

No problem MadrasT Apr 2012 #66

good for you. that is so very healthy seabeyond Apr 2012 #68

This is the kind of disruptive shit that shouldn't be allowed here. BlueIris Apr 2012 #25

Figuring all this out in a vacuum, hasnt worked, has it? WingDinger Apr 2012 #27

This group is supposed to be a supportive environment BlueIris Apr 2012 #33

If by supportive, you mean accepting bogus depictions of the way things are, that is NOT supportive, WingDinger Apr 2012 #34

Hi wingdinger, boston bean Apr 2012 #37

I was originally caught by the latest thingie. Sorry. WingDinger Apr 2012 #39

I never "got" you before. boston bean Apr 2012 #40

Perusing latest, gets me into a protected group. Not YOU. WingDinger Apr 2012 #46

Oh, I get it. boston bean Apr 2012 #47

Agreed. n/t JTFrog Apr 2012 #67

Rant on felix_numinous Apr 2012 #38

excellent post. i expected someone to have replied seabeyond Apr 2012 #58

Wow. MuseRider Apr 2012 #50

funniest story... i asked hubby tonight if he wanted to drive seabeyond Apr 2012 #57

In my house it did not matter that I got straight A's MuseRider Apr 2012 #60

just wow to your post. just wow. go kick some ass, woman seabeyond Apr 2012 #61

It was an interesting thing to do, getting the farm. MuseRider Apr 2012 #62

it is amazing. we were talking a little about that last night, just in buying a car seabeyond Apr 2012 #69

I think you rant about the patriarchy and misogyny just the right amount... Scuba Apr 2012 #63