History of Feminism

bettyellen

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27. There was waaay to much sexist crap about Hill and Palin up in here though

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:52 PM

Nov 2012

And while it was worse with Palin (pretty much anything went - calling her a whore because she wore red shoes, BJ jokes, etc)
It was really offensive for people here of all places to be focusing on her grooming, clothes and relationship with Bill. And it happened so frequently I felt like this place was a man cave.

But very few had a problem with attacking Palin with horribly sexist language. No alert on this was ever successful and I decided never to donate again on that basis.
For what it's worth - the treatment of Palin here was the same side of the coin as those who thinks its okay to abuse a girl because she's (perceived to be) slutty and "brought it on herself". Just a difference of degrees in this fucked up world view I see a lot here that a total stranger needs to "earn your respect" before she has the right to be treated as fully human.
I'm disgusted the mods left out sexism in their TOS violations. I'm afraid they know they'd lose quite a few people that they personally like. But DU is tainted by this crap, always was. The improvement has been very slight.
Hope we can get the TOS updated, in the meantime a clear outline of what's unacceptable would be a great starting point.

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Is it time for a Feminist Manifesto for DU? [View all] CTyankee Nov 2012 OP

What would it add to the discussion how would it help things? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #1

But I wonder if leaving it to individual posts to clarify what feminism is, is a clumsy way of CTyankee Nov 2012 #2

If you keep them to a small number and high level...maybe ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #3

did you mean "their creation could be very DEVISIVE?" CTyankee Nov 2012 #8

I think you have a swell idea. boston bean Nov 2012 #4

It does not matter if the three men who own DU don't care. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #6

The solution is simple. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #5

It is never a bad thing for oppressed groups to write/issue a manifesto. CTyankee Nov 2012 #9

Douglas was working within a democratic frame. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #12

But Douglas was a black man whose race had been enslaved in the South. CTyankee Nov 2012 #13

Bingo TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #39

I think it's well worth exploring.... Little Star Nov 2012 #7

sadly DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #10

Yes, so true. We keep saying it over and over in each and every post of sexism. We need some CTyankee Nov 2012 #11

We live in a patriarchy ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #15

hint of caution though DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #16

Can you give me an example of what that "sexist in and of itself" would look like? I need CTyankee Nov 2012 #17

Gladly DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #19

I don't remember the racist stuff but I do remember the Hillary/sexist stuff and as it turned out CTyankee Nov 2012 #20

The point was DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #22

Yes, I agree. But it was used by some pretty fishy types who suddenly showed up on DU. CTyankee Nov 2012 #23

Oh, I can agree on that point DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #24

Well, apart from the unique Hillary thing in 04 where there was basically some mischief afoot CTyankee Nov 2012 #25

There was waaay to much sexist crap about Hill and Palin up in here though bettyellen Nov 2012 #27

I can agree DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #28

Stupid is gender neutral, and a fitting critique of Palin..... bettyellen Nov 2012 #32

I see that DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #36

Yep. It's about not sinking to that level, and creating a more level playing field. bettyellen Dec 2012 #37

Contacting the other feminist groups would be helpful ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #14

It looks like you have a good basis with your post! CTyankee Nov 2012 #18

It's a good idea ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #21

I think equal opportunity sexism should be noted in the manifesto as well Hatchling Dec 2012 #48

Wow, what an eloquent beginning Tumbulu Dec 2012 #38

I continue to encounter women who say things like, "You know, I understand the need for patrice Nov 2012 #26

Humanist is fine. Everybody is human, after all and I have already made a case for Feminism CTyankee Nov 2012 #29

Humanist is certainly one term I'd very much like to re-claim and it certainly at least implies the patrice Nov 2012 #30

Good questions. This is a diversity argument, no? CTyankee Nov 2012 #31

Probably more diversity : similarity, just riffing again on process . . . link: patrice Dec 2012 #34

Most gendered behavior is socialized ismnotwasm Nov 2012 #33

I'm comfortable with this. It's been a while since I looked into the research very deeply, but patrice Dec 2012 #35

Check out sciencedaily ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #43

Thank you for this, but I must go do my budget, so I will look at it later & get back to us ... patrice Dec 2012 #45

Thank you ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #47

Something needs to be done. pecwae Dec 2012 #40

K & R Care Acutely Dec 2012 #41

i am kickin this to get back to it later. i have been so busy in meta and GD i have not been seabeyond Dec 2012 #42

I would like it to be simple and precise. redqueen Dec 2012 #44

Yes, we need to discuss what we would want the statement to encompass. CTyankee Dec 2012 #46