History of Feminism

pipoman

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42. Interesting

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:16 AM

Jan 2013

I get that Bluebeard thing...It had never occurred to me how that may effect a girl..

My most profound realization through the arts..not a book but influenced irreversibly by someones artistic expression..Sam Kinison..I loathed him, but one evening was watching him on HBO back in the 80's and he delivered a bit in his standard 'too profane for DU' format which almost instantly changed my opinion of homosexuality. As a heterosexual male child/adolescent of the 70's, I had developed a contempt for homosexuals..never again after that profound change of opinion..I have had many other less profound similar experiences through the art of others..Had I not been allowed to hear that obscene little man I don't know how long I would have dwelt in the land of the sexual bigots..

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Should 8-Year-Olds Be Reading Stories That Glorify Rape? [View all] seabeyond Jan 2013 OP

If you ask teabaggers and freepers, the answer is yes jmowreader Jan 2013 #1

Actually, pipoman Jan 2013 #2

A book endorsing rape is not a appropriate part ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #5

I agree pipoman Jan 2013 #9

Okey dokey ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #15

are you suggesting our 8 yr old daughters should be reading about rape/kidnapping as happy ever seabeyond Jan 2013 #7

Read the post I responded to, pipoman Jan 2013 #10

confusing. but, there is another way to take the two posts. so, it is not appropriate seabeyond Jan 2013 #12

I would consider it inapproperate pipoman Jan 2013 #16

most school administration would see it as inappropriate. as i say below, seabeyond Jan 2013 #18

I don't disagree.. pipoman Jan 2013 #21

The number of fairy tales ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #3

Uhm, the Bible new testament is a rape story. Lionessa Jan 2013 #4

Not to mention all the rape in the Old Testament ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #6

Glorified in art, too. " Rape of the Sabine Women." BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #32

Ugh, sure was ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #40

Rape and Incest...reigns supreme! n/t vaberella Jan 2013 #79

As a class assignment: probably not a good idea bluestateguy Jan 2013 #8

Exactly pipoman Jan 2013 #11

that does not mean that a school is going to offer any and all books. that is ridiculous to think seabeyond Jan 2013 #17

True, pipoman Jan 2013 #20

Agree to a point especially about banning books. ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #13

school libraries always choose the books that go into the library. they do not just allow all books seabeyond Jan 2013 #14

I was 11 when I read that ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #19

This is the rub.. pipoman Jan 2013 #23

Very true ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #26

Interesting pipoman Jan 2013 #42

Heh ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #46

oh i thought you were talking about sunday school and the bible. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #22

No; the Quran and the life of Muhammed and his child-"wives." WinkyDink Jan 2013 #25

This story is CREEPY. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #24

I'm sorry, but WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #27

Certainly the book glorifies rape - in the end, the rapist is seen as the victim of abandonment mbperrin Jan 2013 #29

Let me say this in plain language WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #86

MAN kidnap a GIRL, hold her hostage, rape repeatedly against her will and WE are the fuckin idiots. seabeyond Jan 2013 #88

Yes WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #90

how does it not golirify/romanticize the rape? it is accepted and not challenged. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #91

Uh, okay WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #92

yes, if you romanticize a rape in your story as a happy ever after love story, then yes, you are seabeyond Jan 2013 #93

Please... WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #96

stolen, unhappy, against will. man wants, takes. 5 kids so sex. what is that if not rape? nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #97

He entraps her and impregnates her. MadrasT Jan 2013 #99

There's a difference between plain language and just plain crude language. mbperrin Jan 2013 #94

And Goldilocks teaches kids to break into people's homes and steal WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #95

Nope. Goldilocks espouses the Greek value of the middle way. mbperrin Jan 2013 #98

i suppose you would cheer "little black sambo" back in the schools also? because racism was accepted seabeyond Jan 2013 #33

Have you read it? RC Jan 2013 #36

yes. they changed the name and illustration. seabeyond Jan 2013 #38

To even make such a comparison WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #87

yes. because racism is bad. misogyny is biological. i got it, warrior you.... nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #89

No wonder funDies are messed up... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #28

So. No fairy tales and no Sunday school Bible stories. aquart Jan 2013 #30

no. in the second grade the kids will not learn about mass murders of world war II. it is called seabeyond Jan 2013 #34

Hysteria? ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #37

hysteria, LOL. it's appropriate to read only when it's also accepted to be appropriate to discuss bettyellen Jan 2013 #85

There's a lot to be unpacked here. harmonicon Jan 2013 #31

The problem is the character is not presented as vile ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #39

Is he presented that way in the story? Have you read it? harmonicon Jan 2013 #41

What I meant was ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #44

People - including children - know plenty about Jefferson. harmonicon Jan 2013 #45

And now they know owned slaves. ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #47

Probably not is so many words, but it's no different than this story. harmonicon Jan 2013 #48

With discussions like these ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #49

The difference is we don't see many boys taking slaves. redqueen Jan 2013 #50

What is sex with a slave, if not rape? harmonicon Jan 2013 #57

What does that have to do with requiring 8 year olds to read a story romanticizing rape? redqueen Jan 2013 #58

Ok, let me set up a fictional analogy. harmonicon Jan 2013 #61

How many stories romanticizing rape do you think 8 year olds are required to read? redqueen Jan 2013 #62

Stories? The canonization of real people is far more serious than any story. harmonicon Jan 2013 #64

Apples to oranges. redqueen Jan 2013 #65

Whatever. harmonicon Jan 2013 #74

So your reason for thinking nothing should be done gollygee Jan 2013 #75

Not at all. harmonicon Jan 2013 #77

Damn, redqueen Jan 2013 #81

great thread, sea. Yeah, the glorification of rape; enjoyment in victimizing women.... BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #35

The selkie (also spelled "Silkie" and "selchies") JoDog Jan 2013 #51

ohhhhh yeah....that's right, there's a Celtic and Pictish heritage there too. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #53

hmm...wouldn't be in my child's elementary school library. onpatrol98 Jan 2013 #43

This sounds like a book more suitable for high school juniors or seniors. CrispyQ Jan 2013 #52

I'm going to come down on the side of art, literature, and history... mike_c Jan 2013 #54

for 8 yr olds? nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #56

No, not for eight year olds. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #63

Well they learn about George Washington, don't they?!?!?! redqueen Jan 2013 #66

Yeah, forget about that Spongebob crap! Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #68

what i recognized when kids were young, is adults who did not parent tell me how i wronged my kids seabeyond Jan 2013 #72

I think so... mike_c Jan 2013 #67

Romanticized rape narratives rarely upset children (or most adults)... redqueen Jan 2013 #69

I think you have to pull a gestalt here ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #70

agreed.... mike_c Jan 2013 #71

now you get it! if your daughter wasn't disturbed by the story, it's worse because she's going to bettyellen Jan 2013 #83

yes. once you take the pill... you see it everywhere. lol. but, you are right. seabeyond Jan 2013 #84

and on that, that would be creating the conditioning of a rape society. no adult challenging. seabeyond Jan 2013 #73

That's the whole point gollygee Jan 2013 #76

I think you misunderstood my comments.... mike_c Jan 2013 #78

No. MadrasT Jan 2013 #55

I don't think that material/discussion is suitable for the 3rd grade, myself. redqueen Jan 2013 #59

I have no idea at what age kids are ready for what. MadrasT Jan 2013 #60

hey, seabeyond.... mike_c Jan 2013 #80

hey, mike... seabeyond Jan 2013 #82