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iverglas

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45. in fact, pants tailored for men fit me better

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 01:42 PM

Apr 2012

I'm the total opposite of bottom-heavy, and I'm very short in the torso, both top and bottom, and I've been unable to wear women's trousers my entire life, skinny or not skinny. They sag and billow in the bum and the crotch hangs down several inches, or I hoist the waist halfway up to my bra band. I find men's jeans or men's pants with pleated fronts that fit. I don't look like I'm wearing men's pants; I look like I'm wearing pants that fit.

And that just isn't the case with the trousers in the photo I posted, and the ones so long worn by Ellen deGeneres as I mentioned. The trousers don't actually fit properly, and that's quite plain from the pictures: they look like women wearing mens' pants ... even though they may well have them tailored to look just that way. They're a statement. If somebody makes a statement, I assume they want it to be received.

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Seen on DU [View all] boston bean Apr 2012 OP

I read the original and the discussion iverglas Apr 2012 #1

This part boston bean Apr 2012 #2

I just don't read it the same way iverglas Apr 2012 #3

After re-reading it a few times boston bean Apr 2012 #4

can't resist iverglas Apr 2012 #5

Nope, still not there, iverglas. boston bean Apr 2012 #6

how many threads have there been at this place iverglas Apr 2012 #7

There has always been a double standard on DU. boston bean Apr 2012 #9

There is a double standard throughout society. redqueen Apr 2012 #14

First, let's look at how boys dress. Do they dress, as does Rachel, in a low cut jacket Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #12

hm iverglas Apr 2012 #15

So, you are saying that when a youth hockey team in Alberta puts on their street Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #16

I tell ya what iverglas Apr 2012 #18

What did BlueNorthwest say that boston bean Apr 2012 #20

one does not enter a conversation that is underway iverglas Apr 2012 #21

ah, ok. boston bean Apr 2012 #22

a guide iverglas Apr 2012 #25

One also doesn't tell someone they're spewing shit... Violet_Crumble Apr 2012 #42

there is indeed a lot of stuff at DU iverglas Apr 2012 #46

this is what I'm talking about iverglas Apr 2012 #24

Here was what pissed me off about the post: CrispyQ Apr 2012 #35

+1 Little Star Apr 2012 #37

the poster that started that thread has a history with women seabeyond Apr 2012 #17

The OP we are discussing pissed me off royally. Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #19

he said stupid all over the place. and how many of us have had men tell us we should dress like a seabeyond Apr 2012 #23

+1000000 redqueen Apr 2012 #34

Her current look suits her far better, IMO n/t eridani Apr 2012 #43

"Like a boy" depends on how you are built eridani Apr 2012 #44

in fact, pants tailored for men fit me better iverglas Apr 2012 #45

I've never quite gotten the "statement" business eridani Apr 2012 #48

I found that OP very offensive for more than one reason. n/t Little Star Apr 2012 #8

well ... iverglas Apr 2012 #10

The first thing that struck me was... Little Star Apr 2012 #11

Androids the prostitutes of the future? seabeyond Apr 2012 #13

It really says something to say that johns would be just as happy fucking an inanimate object. laconicsax Apr 2012 #26

good point, lol. nt seabeyond Apr 2012 #28

There are some people MadrasT Apr 2012 #27

i really dont care. this is really one of those situations where seabeyond Apr 2012 #29

Oh, yes. I understand that. MadrasT Apr 2012 #30

I agree that it is a pathetic and insulting characterization. seabeyond Apr 2012 #31

Well, from a certain standpoint, sex is icky. laconicsax Apr 2012 #32

no its snot... lol. hey, seabeyond Apr 2012 #33

i just get really sick of being "expected to care" if a man (or a woman) thinks someone is hot Scout Apr 2012 #36

"i really really really don't care who "you" want to fuck! honest!" LOL, well put. Little Star Apr 2012 #38

Yes, it is a headscratcher for me too. n/t MadrasT Apr 2012 #40

It's one thing to say someone looks nice ... redqueen Apr 2012 #41

I've got a better one iverglas Apr 2012 #39

A tiny bit off-topic, but relevant as it pertains to the pro-patriarchy crowd... laconicsax Apr 2012 #47

"Michelle Obama looks stunning...edited to add more pics" iverglas Apr 2012 #49

the essense of what we have been talking. "hot". "hot" implies fuckable seabeyond Apr 2012 #50

I'm seeing a distinction without a difference iverglas Apr 2012 #51

i can't go with your comment that michelle is dismissed for what she is accomplishing as her role seabeyond Apr 2012 #52

sorry, but I didn't say she is "dismissed" iverglas Apr 2012 #54

i think in your comment, you dismiss what she is doing. and whether paid or not, seabeyond Apr 2012 #56

I don't see a difference either. MadrasT Apr 2012 #53

bingo iverglas Apr 2012 #55

"'Girls' has never been and will never be offensive. redqueen May 2012 #57

wtf? some man telling women how they are suppose to feel and think? seabeyond May 2012 #58

Didn't we agree long ago to stop feigning surprise at these things? redqueen May 2012 #59

bah hahahaha seabeyond May 2012 #60

That one is a piece of work. MadrasT May 2012 #61

You ain't kiddin! redqueen May 2012 #62

that one has come under discussion on MIR team lately.... n/t Scout May 2012 #63

as he should. nt seabeyond May 2012 #64

Seen on DU MadrasT May 2012 #65

no. it is not much of an insult. and clear their misogyny in use. one way or another men attack seabeyond May 2012 #66

how many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? iverglas May 2012 #67

Oh, that's good! redqueen May 2012 #68

Took me a minute. MadrasT May 2012 #69

Feminists here are calling all men rapists or child molesters. BlueIris May 2012 #70

oh, man... so very stupid and having to do a lot of twisting and turning seabeyond May 2012 #71

That makes me wonder... laconicsax May 2012 #72

Given that even the relatively innocuous term 'mansplain', despite not being used hardly ever on DU, redqueen May 2012 #73

Careful now... laconicsax May 2012 #74

Oh yes, too true, how could I be so callous... redqueen May 2012 #75

well peoples, i think i am about done on du, but this group seabeyond May 2012 #76

Take a break, sea. MadrasT May 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen May 2012 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2012 #79

time for another break from du redqueen May 2012 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2012 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2012 #82

There is no patriarchy. MadrasT Jul 2012 #83

yup... seabeyond Jul 2012 #84

I think most on DU would be offended by this opinion on a progressive site. boston bean Jul 2012 #85

the reality seabeyond Jul 2012 #86