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DURHAM D

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95. Those who "don't get it" and "won't get it" are one and the same to me.

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:40 PM

Mar 2013

It is the 21st century afterall... The information is out there and they could easily educate themselves. They have chosen not to. So if they cling to mid-last-century ideas it is because it simply serves their self-interest.

I admit that because I am old and have been having/hearing the same conversation for almost 50 years (as an adult) I find the men/boys just boring and the women in denial just a silly irritant.

otoh - IRL If someone really wants to learn I am right there and have two family members in their 30s who have recently gone from not noticing the sexism to smart feminists in a matter of months. The war on reproductive rights got their attention and we just started talking. It is motivated by the fact they both are raising young daughters. They send me links to articles all of the time so I can follow along with their journey of enlightenment. I did warn them early on that once the light is on there is no going back.

I do appreciate the efforts of all those here who continue to wade in and fight the fight and hope they don't arrive where I am twenty, thirty, forty years from now and think - "Oh look, it is the same old talking points from the same old well of deliberate ignorance".

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"bigotry based on gender" what does this mean? [View all] Whisp Mar 2013 OP

I agree with you. redqueen Mar 2013 #1

clueless here... DURHAM D Mar 2013 #2

TOS has bogotry of gender. not sexism seabeyond Mar 2013 #24

Hi sea - My comment was meant to convey DURHAM D Mar 2013 #37

lol. it was very late. and i was on my little fire. seabeyond Mar 2013 #39

you want I should kick your clueless ass, DURHAM D? Skittles Mar 2013 #29

Hey skit - DURHAM D Mar 2013 #38

It means BainsBane Mar 2013 #3

It is the " both sides do it" schtick. sufrommich Mar 2013 #4

thanks, sufrommich Whisp Mar 2013 #5

Good,we can't afford to be intimidated. sufrommich Mar 2013 #6

Another interesting response BainsBane Mar 2013 #7

Now I feel constipated. Whisp Mar 2013 #8

"Alas, I'm a tainted woman" sufrommich Mar 2013 #9

Yes, a scarlet . . . BainsBane Mar 2013 #11

ha ha. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #26

good to hear, whisp. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #25

I would have gotten around to raising the issues in my ATA posts eventually - Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #21

the message was clear BainsBane Mar 2013 #22

You're welcome. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #34

it was good reading your post also. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #27

Thanks. Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #35

ya. seabeyond Mar 2013 #40

Your ability to communicate our concerns sufrommich Mar 2013 #32

Thank - Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #33

IMO, that is a statement MadrasT Mar 2013 #10

Yes indeed. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #13

I just went and read the whole thing ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #12

did you notice the high fives? BainsBane Mar 2013 #14

I'm dismayed by that too wildflower Mar 2013 #15

I wanted to ask about BainsBane Mar 2013 #16

Oh, you mean the "How dare you tell me what to think" folks? MadrasT Mar 2013 #17

I've even heard them specifically say BainsBane Mar 2013 #18

Yup. MadrasT Mar 2013 #19

that is the real bother. skinner insists we speak up and educate. then we are beat up for botherin seabeyond Mar 2013 #28

I agree, in principle, that education is the best tool - Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #30

I saw your ATA OP and thought this is really GREAT... DURHAM D Mar 2013 #36

Thanks. Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #43

and this is another point. i get so many comments, pms telling me thanks for speaking out seabeyond Mar 2013 #41

Yes ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #20

that is exsctly what it is saying. nullifying the issue of misogyny. we are all in the same boat. seabeyond Mar 2013 #23

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #31

guys being guys, that is all. why are you wanting to ruin their fun. seabeyond Mar 2013 #42

sorry JT. feminism forum is monitored heavily and alerted on often.... anything said, copied and seabeyond Mar 2013 #55

How on earth could that have been hidden? BainsBane Mar 2013 #61

probably every post on this thread has been alerted on. inevitable a jury is gonna get a hide, with seabeyond Mar 2013 #62

some people BainsBane Mar 2013 #65

Exactly and to help prove your point that every DURHAM D Mar 2013 #68

amazing, isn't it? Whisp Mar 2013 #66

We bring it all on ourselves, really. redqueen Mar 2013 #67

i read today he isnt opposed to sexism/misogyny in the TOS. he doesnt think it will be a magic cure. seabeyond Mar 2013 #44

he might want to try it out anyway, and change the ToS. Whisp Mar 2013 #45

exactly, we can site it BainsBane Mar 2013 #46

I have been waiting for Gormy (don't think she's around yet today) to answer him on that and Little Star Mar 2013 #47

boston bean had an ATA question on that Whisp Mar 2013 #48

I didn't read BB's answer from Skinner as a no.... Little Star Mar 2013 #54

i saw it as vague also. i like skinner also. i see a lot of skinner that has stood with minorities seabeyond Mar 2013 #56

That's why he should be asked to answer if he will... Little Star Mar 2013 #60

The TOS needs to be changed but DURHAM D Mar 2013 #52

noticed and you are right on all the points. also i noticed, with homophobic OPs, seabeyond Mar 2013 #57

I just want to add.... Little Star Mar 2013 #72

i can name three that have walked. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #73

Just so you know - DURHAM D Mar 2013 #75

I agree with every thing you have said in this whole thread. I... Little Star Mar 2013 #77

I have some memories of that battle. Whisp Mar 2013 #76

Well I have an admission of my own about that... Little Star Mar 2013 #79

I was on the wrong side too. Out of plumb ignorance. redqueen Mar 2013 #80

I wasn't involved in that at all. MadrasT Mar 2013 #81

What prompted your change? BainsBane Mar 2013 #82

Short answer: DU feminists. MadrasT Mar 2013 #83

many don't have that capacity for introspection BainsBane Mar 2013 #84

Yep. That was me. MadrasT Mar 2013 #86

I'm not sure if I'm right about this gollygee Mar 2013 #89

I am not sure who said what about what and where and why but DURHAM D Mar 2013 #90

i know that at the beginning i was optimistic. BB i believe, started a thread asking if the TOS seabeyond Mar 2013 #91

Does anyone think the 'just educate them' method will work? redqueen Mar 2013 #49

I'm not sure that can be done now. Whisp Mar 2013 #50

An extra bounce in some steps, yes. Good way of putting it. redqueen Mar 2013 #51

logically then, per skinners comment to educate, our responsibility to "educate" skinner is a must. seabeyond Mar 2013 #59

I like that idea. You be the 'good' educator and I'll be the 'bad' Whisp Mar 2013 #63

ya really think i know how the fuck to play the fuckin' sugar role, lol lol lol seabeyond Mar 2013 #69

It is not DURHAM D Mar 2013 #53

the men that use are educated to the fact what sexist is, how to use it as a weapon against women seabeyond Mar 2013 #58

But FREEEEEEDUMB! redqueen Mar 2013 #64

bottom line. teh stupid. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #71

I've decided to blame it on the teen movies of the 80's ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #88

I do not see it as "all bigotry is the same" but that " all bigotry is bad / wrong" uppityperson Mar 2013 #70

I think boston bean explained it well here: Whisp Mar 2013 #74

^^^^^ Little Star Mar 2013 #78

Once again, all of you women (and our male allies) have my admiration. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #85

Backatcha Sheldon Little Star Mar 2013 #87

I was thinking about all this last night Whisp Mar 2013 #92

I keep trying to think of a way to produce an eloquent response in ATA (or elsewhere) hlthe2b Mar 2013 #93

Those who "don't get it" and "won't get it" are one and the same to me. DURHAM D Mar 2013 #95

Thanks for this post. redqueen Mar 2013 #96

"We don't raise boys to be men. We raise them not to be women, or gay men." seabeyond Mar 2013 #94