History of Feminism

seabeyond

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50. this is the thing, and i have told this story so often.

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:06 PM

Apr 2013

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(i do not know where your post is i want to address, so doing it here. you talking about free spirit young, and what you would do today)

i grew up in calif, late 70's, 80's. i was a competitive swimmer for a couple decades. we might as well have been naked. naked bodies, hours, daily, for years. we stripped down and skinny dipped. everyone had pools. we stripped down and went into the hot springs up at bishop, toward the mountains.

when it came to naked, we did naked. it was bodies. mere bodies.

what i see different today is it is not about naked. it is about ownership. and that is what i am protesting. victoria secret shows it perfectly.

up into the 90's it was a company allowing women ownership, for the first time, of their sexuality. it was all about women. it was all about the womans sexuality. in the 90's it switched to being mens ownership of womens sexuality. as our cultured switched to this also. girls gone wild mentality. instead of every strippin and a freedom of naked now it is women strippin for mens entertainment. teh women no longer have the ownership of their body and their sexuality.

look at the fetish tit thread. it is all about men. it is all about men and their oh so awesome sexuality. a womans sexuality is never even mentioned. that is what today is. the man has ownership of womens sexuality and we are not only on the back burner, our sexuality does not exist.

i think it is because they got afraid. i think men along the way got afraid of the power of a womans sexuality and need. i think they had to consciously dismiss womens sexuality and create theirs as all powerfull awesome, godlike, 24/7 because of fear.

and that is where i sit.

i do not want to repress woman. i think men did that. in the 90's and thru 2000's just the other side of the burkah. i want women free again. we had a small window of it. i know the awesomeness of it. i want nothing less.

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Thoughts on �Sextremism� [View all] seabeyond Apr 2013 OP

You mean THAT Feministing? Helen Reddy Apr 2013 #1

ya. lol. i know. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #2

thinking about it though, it seems they came with 3rd wave at a time we felt we could take ownership seabeyond Apr 2013 #5

There really is no need to bare my breast to make a point. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #3

nope. there is not. counterproductive. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #7

This is the same discussion that arises at Pride events over 'assless chaps' and drag. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #14

i think it is a chicken shit, lazy ass argument to throw out "prude" when discussions like this come seabeyond Apr 2013 #15

The men who say that at Pride events are prudes. That's who I was talking about. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #19

you used it to compare to women speaking about this type demonstration BNW. it is not like we are seabeyond Apr 2013 #21

"you nor anyone else have the right to try and shame me thru my sexuality... MadrasT Apr 2013 #26

one is allowed, one is not. one is cheered, one is condemmend. madonna/whore. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #27

Don't you bring it up for discussion when you bring up other's use of their sexuality? octothorpe Apr 2013 #59

METHOD. discussing the METHOD. see how ineffective this is. cannot even get people to think beyond seabeyond Apr 2013 #60

Isn't the method and the actual protest kinda intertwined in the case of Amina? octothorpe Apr 2013 #67

no one is telling these women what they can or cannot do. METHOD. discussing how we see the effect seabeyond Apr 2013 #70

I don't think you or anyone on this board are telling her and others what they can or cannot do octothorpe Apr 2013 #72

Take Chuck Hagle's attack on Mr Homel for being seen with men dressed as nuns Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #32

there is no argument with this post. adn what is ignored or missed, continually. i am arguing a seabeyond Apr 2013 #34

I see no attempt at controlling how others express themselves to further a collective goal LanternWaste Apr 2013 #98

Agree...It's just someone's value judgement, someone's "opinion", hardly a "fact". n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #29

No, that is not objectification. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #18

Yes it is. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #22

No, that's disagreement. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #28

As long as it remains just that, a respectful statement of one's own views and choices Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #71

feminism thru individualism. it is dying. we are seeing how ineffective it is. there really is seabeyond Apr 2013 #74

So we on DU are "shimmering" toward objectifying conservatives and religious people redqueen Apr 2013 #75

Yeah... haikugal Apr 2013 #24

Men have a different dynamic ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #49

I have read that FEMEN isn't solely made up of women with porn-compliant bodies... redqueen Apr 2013 #4

so they say. but, even if that is true then it just validates the argument that this style of seabeyond Apr 2013 #8

Yep. Massive fail. redqueen Apr 2013 #10

Hmm. haikugal Apr 2013 #6

it is a small group of 20. i was not impressed a year ago. but what turned me completely off was seabeyond Apr 2013 #9

Ick.. haikugal Apr 2013 #12

That oversimplification has become the myth that obscures the truth. redqueen Apr 2013 #11

I see your point... haikugal Apr 2013 #16

sea posted a pic of men protesting in the nude redqueen Apr 2013 #17

They didn't...I wear makeup...It's non-negotiable and I remember getting a dirty look at a feminist whathehell Apr 2013 #31

phyllis chesler refers to make-up as war paint. I cannot wear it, nothing political, just a severe niyad Apr 2013 #40

LOL... haikugal Apr 2013 #54

i love my really high heel ankle boots.... seabeyond Apr 2013 #58

LOL some more! haikugal Apr 2013 #61

yes. i even love the sound. lol. and i get a real sashe going back and forth. almost a dance. seabeyond Apr 2013 #62

Oh yeah.... haikugal Apr 2013 #64

On that click ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #66

Ileft the click behind with my youth.. haikugal Apr 2013 #69

I hear that ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #76

LOL....love it! haikugal Apr 2013 #81

lol... stealth mode! redqueen Apr 2013 #82

I love heels, always have, always will. they are good for so many things. and, like you, I wear niyad Apr 2013 #93

you are most welcome. she is one remarkably brilliant person. niyad Apr 2013 #91

Phyllis Chesler was at the conference in NY in 1978 I mentioned and whathehell Apr 2013 #55

I honestly don't care who wears makeup ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #77

+1... men look good with eyeliner redqueen Apr 2013 #80

I honestly don't care who wears makeup ... Other than I wish more men would. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #84

I am so glad I did not see that particular email--my response would have been rather nasty. niyad Apr 2013 #92

Yeah, I thought that was really ridiculous. whathehell Apr 2013 #94

I prefer to call it lady drag. redqueen Apr 2013 #78

I like that, as well. people forget that there was a time men wore powdered wigs and lots of niyad Apr 2013 #90

AND high heels ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #96

yes they did. and men still wear heels and higher heels but we all pretend it is not seabeyond Apr 2013 #97

this is the thing, and i have told this story so often. seabeyond Apr 2013 #50

ok girls... now show me you tits. says a male friend to young women on FB, demeaning these girls seabeyond Apr 2013 #52

Nicely said... haikugal Apr 2013 #85

There was at least one other thread reporting the story, that didn't have the word CrispyQ Apr 2013 #86

the whole company shifted to men and the man gaze. tell your woman what you want her to wear. seabeyond Apr 2013 #87

goddess forfend that we should EVER do anything to offend the sensibilities of the patriarchy. niyad Apr 2013 #13

Ain't that the truth! haikugal Apr 2013 #20

I think about the fact that feminists have been told from the beginning not to be shrill, to be soft niyad Apr 2013 #23

own businesses. be on board. and when a company shows sexism... publically reject, quit, vilify. seabeyond Apr 2013 #25

Back in the sixties women were in your face. upaloopa Apr 2013 #30

I was there in the sixties, and seventies, and. . I am still here, still doing the same things. as niyad Apr 2013 #35

I was there too. Civil Rights Vietnam Women's movement upaloopa Apr 2013 #51

I agree with the OP in its characterization of FEMEN but I see value in the FEMEN movement. Squinch Apr 2013 #33

then really, by LOUDLY pointing it out here at du, i am the greater supporter, lol, than those that seabeyond Apr 2013 #36

But YOU are what is referred to in the article as a "classical feminist." So am I. Squinch Apr 2013 #39

this is what i was thinking in the shower. they flash and every fuckin one else is doing the fuckin seabeyond Apr 2013 #41

LOL! Squinch Apr 2013 #43

Also, on a more serious note, as I say they are walking a razor's edge. Squinch Apr 2013 #47

ya, see. i watch it continually being used as a tool against women, and in disrespect of women that seabeyond Apr 2013 #53

Larry Flynt feminism. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #37

flynt recently made a statement about women in porn. telling them NOT to go into porn, seabeyond Apr 2013 #42

He's never hidden the fact that his corporate empire geek tragedy Apr 2013 #44

yup. this is true. as his defenders INSIST it is all good for the woman never able to even hear, seabeyond Apr 2013 #46

I'd like to see another kind ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #38

all this stuff. all this stuff is where i am at with this group. seabeyond Apr 2013 #45

I have little but contempt for women who strip and bare themselves to get out whatever message Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #56

I don't care what people say either. ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #63

I have to apologize, ismnotwasm. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #65

Oh, I didn't take it that way! ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #73

In one of those threads I asked, CrispyQ Apr 2013 #48

no one will fuckin go there. there is so much dishonesty thru out this whole thing, that it is seabeyond Apr 2013 #57

I missed all of it ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #68

Sometimes you need a socket, other times a wrench One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #79

then, when men use it as a weapon against women here, i would think the least we would do is seabeyond Apr 2013 #83

So if you are older or have a body that isn't favored by the male gaze BainsBane Apr 2013 #88

yes. and the majority of the thread, at this point, seabeyond Apr 2013 #89

I will concede that it is effective... MadrasT Apr 2013 #95