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ismnotwasm

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73. Oh, I didn't take it that way!

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:07 PM

Apr 2013

I'm not particularly sensitive--a flaw of mine actually-- I was agreeing with you, just kind of musing. I want strong young women to have a voice, I can see where they would reach 'naked' as a solution or a means to protest. It bothers me that liberal men, but liberal women especially don't recognize this as a loss of agency; of identity. It seems so clueless.

They become 'those protesting naked chicks' in the eyes of most.

Edit this; i see the Protest i thought was by Islamic women was at a Mosque, and the protesters are not part of the communities. (I saw some thread on the greatest page I didn't open singing their praises ) That is not helpful to Islamic communities.

And the sad truth is, if they were not presented within a certain standard of attractiveness the discussion would never have reached the proportions it did here. They would have been dismissed out of hand.

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Thoughts on �Sextremism� [View all] seabeyond Apr 2013 OP

You mean THAT Feministing? Helen Reddy Apr 2013 #1

ya. lol. i know. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #2

thinking about it though, it seems they came with 3rd wave at a time we felt we could take ownership seabeyond Apr 2013 #5

There really is no need to bare my breast to make a point. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #3

nope. there is not. counterproductive. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #7

This is the same discussion that arises at Pride events over 'assless chaps' and drag. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #14

i think it is a chicken shit, lazy ass argument to throw out "prude" when discussions like this come seabeyond Apr 2013 #15

The men who say that at Pride events are prudes. That's who I was talking about. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #19

you used it to compare to women speaking about this type demonstration BNW. it is not like we are seabeyond Apr 2013 #21

"you nor anyone else have the right to try and shame me thru my sexuality... MadrasT Apr 2013 #26

one is allowed, one is not. one is cheered, one is condemmend. madonna/whore. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #27

Don't you bring it up for discussion when you bring up other's use of their sexuality? octothorpe Apr 2013 #59

METHOD. discussing the METHOD. see how ineffective this is. cannot even get people to think beyond seabeyond Apr 2013 #60

Isn't the method and the actual protest kinda intertwined in the case of Amina? octothorpe Apr 2013 #67

no one is telling these women what they can or cannot do. METHOD. discussing how we see the effect seabeyond Apr 2013 #70

I don't think you or anyone on this board are telling her and others what they can or cannot do octothorpe Apr 2013 #72

Take Chuck Hagle's attack on Mr Homel for being seen with men dressed as nuns Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #32

there is no argument with this post. adn what is ignored or missed, continually. i am arguing a seabeyond Apr 2013 #34

I see no attempt at controlling how others express themselves to further a collective goal LanternWaste Apr 2013 #98

Agree...It's just someone's value judgement, someone's "opinion", hardly a "fact". n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #29

No, that is not objectification. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #18

Yes it is. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #22

No, that's disagreement. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #28

As long as it remains just that, a respectful statement of one's own views and choices Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #71

feminism thru individualism. it is dying. we are seeing how ineffective it is. there really is seabeyond Apr 2013 #74

So we on DU are "shimmering" toward objectifying conservatives and religious people redqueen Apr 2013 #75

Yeah... haikugal Apr 2013 #24

Men have a different dynamic ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #49

I have read that FEMEN isn't solely made up of women with porn-compliant bodies... redqueen Apr 2013 #4

so they say. but, even if that is true then it just validates the argument that this style of seabeyond Apr 2013 #8

Yep. Massive fail. redqueen Apr 2013 #10

Hmm. haikugal Apr 2013 #6

it is a small group of 20. i was not impressed a year ago. but what turned me completely off was seabeyond Apr 2013 #9

Ick.. haikugal Apr 2013 #12

That oversimplification has become the myth that obscures the truth. redqueen Apr 2013 #11

I see your point... haikugal Apr 2013 #16

sea posted a pic of men protesting in the nude redqueen Apr 2013 #17

They didn't...I wear makeup...It's non-negotiable and I remember getting a dirty look at a feminist whathehell Apr 2013 #31

phyllis chesler refers to make-up as war paint. I cannot wear it, nothing political, just a severe niyad Apr 2013 #40

LOL... haikugal Apr 2013 #54

i love my really high heel ankle boots.... seabeyond Apr 2013 #58

LOL some more! haikugal Apr 2013 #61

yes. i even love the sound. lol. and i get a real sashe going back and forth. almost a dance. seabeyond Apr 2013 #62

Oh yeah.... haikugal Apr 2013 #64

On that click ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #66

Ileft the click behind with my youth.. haikugal Apr 2013 #69

I hear that ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #76

LOL....love it! haikugal Apr 2013 #81

lol... stealth mode! redqueen Apr 2013 #82

I love heels, always have, always will. they are good for so many things. and, like you, I wear niyad Apr 2013 #93

you are most welcome. she is one remarkably brilliant person. niyad Apr 2013 #91

Phyllis Chesler was at the conference in NY in 1978 I mentioned and whathehell Apr 2013 #55

I honestly don't care who wears makeup ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #77

+1... men look good with eyeliner redqueen Apr 2013 #80

I honestly don't care who wears makeup ... Other than I wish more men would. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #84

I am so glad I did not see that particular email--my response would have been rather nasty. niyad Apr 2013 #92

Yeah, I thought that was really ridiculous. whathehell Apr 2013 #94

I prefer to call it lady drag. redqueen Apr 2013 #78

I like that, as well. people forget that there was a time men wore powdered wigs and lots of niyad Apr 2013 #90

AND high heels ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #96

yes they did. and men still wear heels and higher heels but we all pretend it is not seabeyond Apr 2013 #97

this is the thing, and i have told this story so often. seabeyond Apr 2013 #50

ok girls... now show me you tits. says a male friend to young women on FB, demeaning these girls seabeyond Apr 2013 #52

Nicely said... haikugal Apr 2013 #85

There was at least one other thread reporting the story, that didn't have the word CrispyQ Apr 2013 #86

the whole company shifted to men and the man gaze. tell your woman what you want her to wear. seabeyond Apr 2013 #87

goddess forfend that we should EVER do anything to offend the sensibilities of the patriarchy. niyad Apr 2013 #13

Ain't that the truth! haikugal Apr 2013 #20

I think about the fact that feminists have been told from the beginning not to be shrill, to be soft niyad Apr 2013 #23

own businesses. be on board. and when a company shows sexism... publically reject, quit, vilify. seabeyond Apr 2013 #25

Back in the sixties women were in your face. upaloopa Apr 2013 #30

I was there in the sixties, and seventies, and. . I am still here, still doing the same things. as niyad Apr 2013 #35

I was there too. Civil Rights Vietnam Women's movement upaloopa Apr 2013 #51

I agree with the OP in its characterization of FEMEN but I see value in the FEMEN movement. Squinch Apr 2013 #33

then really, by LOUDLY pointing it out here at du, i am the greater supporter, lol, than those that seabeyond Apr 2013 #36

But YOU are what is referred to in the article as a "classical feminist." So am I. Squinch Apr 2013 #39

this is what i was thinking in the shower. they flash and every fuckin one else is doing the fuckin seabeyond Apr 2013 #41

LOL! Squinch Apr 2013 #43

Also, on a more serious note, as I say they are walking a razor's edge. Squinch Apr 2013 #47

ya, see. i watch it continually being used as a tool against women, and in disrespect of women that seabeyond Apr 2013 #53

Larry Flynt feminism. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #37

flynt recently made a statement about women in porn. telling them NOT to go into porn, seabeyond Apr 2013 #42

He's never hidden the fact that his corporate empire geek tragedy Apr 2013 #44

yup. this is true. as his defenders INSIST it is all good for the woman never able to even hear, seabeyond Apr 2013 #46

I'd like to see another kind ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #38

all this stuff. all this stuff is where i am at with this group. seabeyond Apr 2013 #45

I have little but contempt for women who strip and bare themselves to get out whatever message Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #56

I don't care what people say either. ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #63

I have to apologize, ismnotwasm. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #65

Oh, I didn't take it that way! ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #73

In one of those threads I asked, CrispyQ Apr 2013 #48

no one will fuckin go there. there is so much dishonesty thru out this whole thing, that it is seabeyond Apr 2013 #57

I missed all of it ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #68

Sometimes you need a socket, other times a wrench One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #79

then, when men use it as a weapon against women here, i would think the least we would do is seabeyond Apr 2013 #83

So if you are older or have a body that isn't favored by the male gaze BainsBane Apr 2013 #88

yes. and the majority of the thread, at this point, seabeyond Apr 2013 #89

I will concede that it is effective... MadrasT Apr 2013 #95