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AlbertCat

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35. It's a serious topic, but an interesting debate.

Mon May 6, 2013, 11:42 AM

May 2013

And an emotional one. Which is why no one seems to be "getting" my main beef which was "It's men"....and why I put in the equally absurd statement "gay men ?".

It just seemed to me a lot of folk were running with some version of "the blank slate" thing....that men are taught to rape completely by society.

We are animal with instincts and millions of years of evolved behavior. But I certainly don't mean any of these notions to be an excuse for any bad behavior. In the case of rape, there are plenty of reasons NOT to, both biological and social. One still must make a decision to act on impulses. One can choose NOT to act...or seek help if that proves difficult.

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Rape Culture: 3 Reasons Most Men Are to Blame For Misogyny [View all] boston bean May 2013 OP

This is really good. redqueen May 2013 #1

Excellent! ismnotwasm May 2013 #2

Look out belooowwww! boston bean May 2013 #9

It's men. AlbertCat May 2013 #3

Deflection alert! ismnotwasm May 2013 #4

Deflection alert! AlbertCat May 2013 #13

No one is making the claim it's all men they're just saying men are the cause of the culture Arcanetrance May 2013 #5

Thank you ismnotwasm May 2013 #7

Good post. nt raccoon May 2013 #8

I hope men here listen to you BainsBane May 2013 #10

It would be nice if they did more than listen and actually took action in their own lives Arcanetrance May 2013 #11

I mean not all men rape but all men do suffer. AlbertCat May 2013 #12

Rape has nothing to do with Sex and nature Arcanetrance May 2013 #14

Rape is strictly about power. AlbertCat May 2013 #19

Here's a link I ask you to read it Arcanetrance May 2013 #28

rape is not sex. Whisp May 2013 #72

Do you remember the incident in which US servicemen urinated on Afghan corpses? LanternWaste May 2013 #73

ah, the old and tired.... it is biology. geeezus. nt seabeyond May 2013 #15

ah, the old and tired.... it is biology. AlbertCat May 2013 #18

*sigh* ismnotwasm May 2013 #20

Link? AlbertCat May 2013 #22

Here, I'll help ismnotwasm May 2013 #24

It's a serious topic, but an interesting debate. AlbertCat May 2013 #35

You ignored the fact that Gay men can be both victims of rape ismnotwasm May 2013 #42

And an opposite POV ismnotwasm May 2013 #30

kick ass excellent article. "Few men actively fight against the system of rape." seabeyond May 2013 #68

Tossing around phrases like "sexual roles in nature" MadrasT May 2013 #25

is blatant rape apologia AlbertCat May 2013 #39

Are you suggesting ismnotwasm May 2013 #47

default behavior AlbertCat May 2013 #67

More rape apologia. n/t MadrasT May 2013 #56

That jerk had the nerve to say in your "emotional" mind. boston bean May 2013 #59

The "emotional" crack was such an obvious swipe it wasn't worth addressing. MadrasT May 2013 #63

He's also not responding to questions that directly challenge his POV ismnotwasm May 2013 #65

you emotional ... girl, you. near hysteria, huh? bring out the couch, seabeyond May 2013 #69

you promote a theory on guess and storytelling and then suggest it is fact. seabeyond May 2013 #37

you promote a theory on... AlbertCat May 2013 #43

??? i would actually have to make a statement in order to promote, as you suggest. nt seabeyond May 2013 #45

Rape in my opinion is a kind of accepted pathology ismnotwasm May 2013 #16

Your original comment about Gay men I found inappropriate AlbertCat May 2013 #44

it can be used to justify things AlbertCat May 2013 #48

so are you mercuryblues May 2013 #71

ARCANETRANCE.GETS.IT. Skittles May 2013 #17

Rape culture and homophobia have common origins. geek tragedy May 2013 #21

Very well put Arcanetrance May 2013 #6

I don't disagree with anything written here, but I wonder how effective the phrasing and geek tragedy May 2013 #23

Yes, the word 'blame' changes the framing for sure ismnotwasm May 2013 #26

Raises a whole bunch of issues re: agency, collectivism vs individualism geek tragedy May 2013 #29

It is both. redqueen May 2013 #38

Well Jonathan Katz and Robert Jensen have been trying the soft sell for years with little progress. redqueen May 2013 #27

I met Robert Jensen a few years ago, Very pleasant fellow. geek tragedy May 2013 #31

That's not shallow ismnotwasm May 2013 #32

One approach, imo, is to unbundle the traits of what's considered 'manly' geek tragedy May 2013 #36

IMO playing into that 'manly' crap only strengthens the gender knot. redqueen May 2013 #41

I can definitely see your point. I don't mean that the manly stuff should be validated, only geek tragedy May 2013 #49

Oh I agree, it has to become uncool (not socially acceptable). redqueen May 2013 #33

Vicious cycle ismnotwasm May 2013 #34

Most men haven't heard of him. geek tragedy May 2013 #40

Disagree again. redqueen May 2013 #46

Evo psych rape apologia - all over the net. AlbertCat May 2013 #50

It's rape apologist bullshit. redqueen May 2013 #53

You are the only one that brought up 'blank slate' ismnotwasm May 2013 #54

there is no "impulse" to rape. and continually stating this as a fact is indeed a rape apologist. nt seabeyond May 2013 #70

I don't disagree that he's saying stuff a lot men don't want to hear. geek tragedy May 2013 #51

Pure guilt trip self loathing horse shit upaloopa May 2013 #52

I didn't see you starting off saying "In my opinion" boston bean May 2013 #57

IMHO the article is guilt tripping self loathing horse shit upaloopa May 2013 #60

She doesn't "need" to do a thing. whathehell May 2013 #74

LOL, check out the ad that the words on this page 'somehow' relate to. redqueen May 2013 #55

Pretty ridiculous FBaggins May 2013 #58

it doesnt matter. galileoreloaded May 2013 #61

good bye... good bye boston bean May 2013 #62

LOL ismnotwasm May 2013 #64

+100 n/t whathehell May 2013 #75

Let's play Spot the Logic Fail! redqueen May 2013 #66

LOL. n/t whathehell May 2013 #76

Reading these replies? Makes me so fucking angry! gaspee May 2013 #77

You reminded me of this. redqueen May 2013 #78

for some misandry equals BainsBane May 2013 #79

Yep. I agree with Allan Johnson. whathehell May 2013 #80