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In reply to the discussion: Rape Culture: 3 Reasons Most Men Are to Blame For Misogyny [View all]redqueen
(115,186 posts)66. Let's play Spot the Logic Fail!
1. Most obviously, men are almost exclusively the perpetrators:
All squares are rectangles, therefore rectangles are squares? Blacks are statistically far more likely to commit violent crimes, therefore most blacks are to blame for crime? We would spot this as racism without pausing for breath... yet this nonsense passes for reasonable?
All squares are rectangles, therefore rectangles are squares? Blacks are statistically far more likely to commit violent crimes, therefore most blacks are to blame for crime? We would spot this as racism without pausing for breath... yet this nonsense passes for reasonable?
Your first sentence simply makes no sense, so we'll move on to the only thing of substance you said here, which is your incredibly flawed analogy. See the part I bolded, in which you substituted 'crime' in general in place of a specific type of crime? That's a pretty poor effort to try to portray this as being somehow bigoted.
2. Men have perpetuated a culture around manhood and masculinity that is conducive to misogynist behavior:
Circular argument. Men are to blame for misogyny because men are to blame for misogyny
Circular argument. Men are to blame for misogyny because men are to blame for misogyny
Again with the oversimplification in an effort to distort meaning. You don't actually believe what you're saying, do you? I sure hope not.
If you do, then simply try not substituting your own words in place of his, then go look up the definitions of the words he uses, and try to work out where you got confused.
3. Men's contribution to the anti-sexual assault movement has mostly been a passive, or neutral, one:
A real laugher. Unless you meet my expectations/definition for solving the problem, you're actually part of the problem. I'm quite certain that many who find this compelling would not accept the mirror position.
A real laugher. Unless you meet my expectations/definition for solving the problem, you're actually part of the problem. I'm quite certain that many who find this compelling would not accept the mirror position.
Again, this makes no sense. You could argue that his opinion of whether an action is passive or neutral is subjective, but it has nothing to do with his "approval". The only logical way to refute this statement would be to cite a sizeable amount of contributions by men against sexual assault that isn't passive or neutral. (Because, as you might have noticed, he did qualify that statement by saying it was "most" of the contributions he was referring to.)
Better luck next time!
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No one is making the claim it's all men they're just saying men are the cause of the culture
Arcanetrance
May 2013
#5
It would be nice if they did more than listen and actually took action in their own lives
Arcanetrance
May 2013
#11
Do you remember the incident in which US servicemen urinated on Afghan corpses?
LanternWaste
May 2013
#73
kick ass excellent article. "Few men actively fight against the system of rape."
seabeyond
May 2013
#68
??? i would actually have to make a statement in order to promote, as you suggest. nt
seabeyond
May 2013
#45
I don't disagree with anything written here, but I wonder how effective the phrasing and
geek tragedy
May 2013
#23
Well Jonathan Katz and Robert Jensen have been trying the soft sell for years with little progress.
redqueen
May 2013
#27
I can definitely see your point. I don't mean that the manly stuff should be validated, only
geek tragedy
May 2013
#49