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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
25. Question about a man commenting on a woman’s appearance
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:06 PM
Aug 2013

My question isn’t about broader issues of patriarchal control, but about my interaction with a specific woman. She and I had had a fairly casual acquaintance when I asked her out on a date. I came to her apartment to pick her up and she was wearing makeup, which she had never done the other times we met.

On the one hand, I definitely got a charge out of the idea that she was sufficiently attracted to me to make that extra effort. (Yes, just her accepting the date should have been enough. It wasn’t – but this post isn’t about my self-confidence problem.) Not only was I pleased by this, but, when someone’s made an effort, it seems courteous to give a compliment. The linked article notwithstanding, I think many women on many occasions like to be told that they look great tonight or that their new hairstyle really suits them or whatever.

On the other hand, I happen to prefer a natural look. I thought this woman had looked better all the other times I’d seen her, when she wasn’t making an effort.

So, I didn’t want to compliment her and make it more likely that she’d keep going this route, but starting off a first date by criticizing her makeup didn’t seem like a good idea either.

What should I have done?

I was going to conclude this post by recounting what I actually did. On reflection, though, I decided it might be more interesting to hear the thoughts of people who are writing on a clean slate.

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That is the best rant I've read in a while. gollygee Aug 2013 #1
"Real men" equal the kind of men safeinOhio Aug 2013 #2
I actually think women are more critical of their own appearance BainsBane Aug 2013 #3
I used to believe that. redqueen Aug 2013 #6
Curiously, you're taking the word here largely of women... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #26
Back in the real world, at the link above, redqueen Aug 2013 #31
One or two small points ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #32
I love that my wife does 'maintenance' for me Bay Boy Aug 2013 #4
Congratulations. redqueen Aug 2013 #5
Huh? Bay Boy Aug 2013 #7
You know perfectly and no subtly in playing your game. seabeyond Aug 2013 #14
I know nothing... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #18
And do you emerge a perfect fantasy for your wife? ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #16
I do my part... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #17
I make my wife get up an hour before me... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #20
I can't speak for her... redqueen Aug 2013 #23
I think most men could give a shit. They'll go along with whatever's popular. MADem Aug 2013 #8
This affects girls and young women to a significant degree. redqueen Aug 2013 #9
Did I suggest -- ever -- that this was "meaningless?" MADem Aug 2013 #11
Why are you talking about fashion? redqueen Aug 2013 #13
Thank you for posting that video. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #21
The pleasure is all mine, believe me. nt redqueen Aug 2013 #22
You have very valid point ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #15
The playing field is being leveled....! It's a slow process, but it is happening.... MADem Aug 2013 #19
I remember the first time ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #10
THIS MadrasT Aug 2013 #12
... ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #24
Question about a man commenting on a woman’s appearance Jim Lane Aug 2013 #25
Yikes ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #28
That's pretty much what I did. More detail in my response to BainsBane. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #33
Just say you look nice BainsBane Aug 2013 #29
Agreed. It'a definite jerk behavior. Dash87 Aug 2013 #30
I think this is an exception to your point about being controlling. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #34
We need a Martha Argerich School of Beauty BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #27
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