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Moonwalk

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202. Putting words in my mouth? Shame, shame, shame....

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:58 PM

Sep 2013

How easy it would be for you to win the argument IF that was what I was suggesting...or if you made it seem like that's what I was saying so that you didn't have to address the REAL argument.

Luckily for me, I'm suggesting no such thing.

I'm suggesting that "They should be able to control their feelings..." is the argument used by people who are homophobic. "I don't feel that way toward other people of my gender, so these people don't need to feel it either...." and, "they're in control. They can choose."

So--and here's the real argument for you, so pay close attention: if you use that argument, then you open a can of worms. Because you're not saying that pedophilia is a unique problem that involves being able to choose/not choose UNLIKE homosexual lust or heterosexual lust or lust for sheep or whatever. What you're saying is that ANYONE who feels an "undesirable" lust for another can shut it off. Just decide not to feel it. Choose. Putting it another way: If pedophiles *can* just stop feeling such things, can "not" be attracted if they choose, then why can't gays? Why can't heterosexuals?

Such assertions (it's a choice) are slippery slopes, dude. That is what I'm arguing. Which is why we should be very careful about making them.

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really, how creepy for a progressive board group of men to ask.. how young of a girl can we lust [View all] seabeyond Sep 2013 OP

Lust is an involuntary emotion TheDeputy Sep 2013 #1

omFg... 5 yrs old. gonna tell me some creep lusting over a 5 yr old is involuntary. seabeyond Sep 2013 #5

All 5-year old lusters make the voluntary choice to do so? NoOneMan Sep 2013 #12

Unfortunately, it is involuntary Warpy Sep 2013 #13

I disagree LanternWaste Sep 2013 #21

i agree. none of how i "feel" or think or act has been hard for me. seabeyond Sep 2013 #26

I'm guessing that how a pedophile "feels" and "thinks" isn't hard for her either. Schema Thing Sep 2013 #71

i can just as easily allow myself anything and all with no restriction what so ever. and ya. seabeyond Sep 2013 #72

That is really interesting to me. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #27

As I said, few of them act on it. Warpy Sep 2013 #33

warpy, i had mostly naked 16, 17, 18 yr old boys around me seabeyond Sep 2013 #37

You're also a FEMALE. Genetically programmed to lust after George Clooney... TheMadMonk Sep 2013 #88

geez that is such fuckin bullshit that you men are PROGRAMMED to believe on a regular bases by seabeyond Sep 2013 #89

And if we kept our teens and children on shorter rations like we did in the past... TheMadMonk Sep 2013 #113

this is where the story telling fails at the very beginning. you take your brain today and apply it seabeyond Sep 2013 #116

Exactly how is "ALL BEHAVIOUR IS VOLUNTARY" a better hypothesis? TheMadMonk Sep 2013 #120

you throw out bs evo psychology the scientist scoff at. i challenge. now you go into a rant about seabeyond Sep 2013 #122

I didn't call girls bitches. I Suggested it as an example... TheMadMonk Sep 2013 #191

You aren't allowed to see shades of gray. NoOneMan Sep 2013 #187

You are being sarcastic I hope ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #193

While I have a number of issues with this post ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #192

and as far as older man? well hell, she is more likely to get a less child with an older man. and seabeyond Sep 2013 #90

You're ignoring social context and intelligence.... Moonwalk Sep 2013 #129

and you are forgetting it is said this is innate, biology when what you describe is social seabeyond Sep 2013 #134

It's not biological? You should tell that to the apes. And the Lions. And wolves... Moonwalk Sep 2013 #144

again, you associate this woman with the development of brain today, tell us they had the ability seabeyond Sep 2013 #146

Learned? Apes, lions, wolves may not know that sex = baby, but they know... Moonwalk Sep 2013 #152

lets bottomline this. do you fight the urge to fuck a child. i did not fight the urge to hook up seabeyond Sep 2013 #153

You actually believe this? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #159

Actually there is some thought ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #103

Wow...unreal! chervilant Sep 2013 #160

I justified, nothing. Whatever you may think, the desire... TheMadMonk Sep 2013 #203

My assertions are grounded in chervilant Sep 2013 #208

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #217

per the post hidden. you tell everyone pecking order and everyone just suck it up and deal. seabeyond Sep 2013 #223

That post was vile. redqueen Sep 2013 #227

yes it was. and seems to be we are the bad people for calling out vile posts. odd that. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #229

omfg, glad that trash is kicked to the curb. WTF!? boston bean Sep 2013 #238

I am of course, discounting any brain which may be hard-wired from birth... LanternWaste Sep 2013 #54

From various things I've read, even brains that are normal at birth can develop these problems NoOneMan Sep 2013 #66

I've read that and others like it ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #162

How do you define 'acting'? redqueen Sep 2013 #56

I've never thought of it in quite that way ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #53

"Abstract" Yes! Academic, even. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #58

Oh yes ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #65

me too. i am there to do my job. i am Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #112

Apples and oranges..."In THAT environment" is the key here, right? Moonwalk Sep 2013 #140

And what does a 5 year old do to inspire lust? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #168

You really like to put words in other people's mouths, don't you? You should watch that... Moonwalk Sep 2013 #206

Clear? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #222

To be honest, quite a few patients can appear just as "normal", just as healthy and just as objectiv LanternWaste Sep 2013 #226

Wouldn't you think they would think twice before "exposing" themselves on a public board? hlthe2b Sep 2013 #25

They think they're more anonymous than they really are Warpy Sep 2013 #30

And here we have an excellent demonstration of the purpose of derailing. redqueen Sep 2013 #36

thank you redq. perfectly said. that Op should have been shut down, fuckin immediately seabeyond Sep 2013 #39

LOL, right... redqueen Sep 2013 #48

Would have been, if I'd seen it Scootaloo Sep 2013 #92

Good points, I didn't see the original thread Warpy Sep 2013 #47

INDULGING in thoughts CAN be controlled. redqueen Sep 2013 #51

And starting up a thread on a discussion board, so they can share their attraction for young girls Squinch Sep 2013 #106

We have the capacity to deny, enhance or minimize any emotion LanternWaste Sep 2013 #15

"We *choose* to feel or not feel desire, lust, anger, happiness, frustration" NoOneMan Sep 2013 #18

No. Merely my own experience... which does deny that your statement is absolute LanternWaste Sep 2013 #24

The same stimuli (input) will always result in a single output in the same brain (multiplexor)/state NoOneMan Sep 2013 #45

Unless we choose otherwise. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #87

yes. seabeyond Sep 2013 #91

Do you somehow think you and your ability to "choose" is separate from your brain? NoOneMan Sep 2013 #95

My brain tells me to rob a bank, but I don't. Why is that? boston bean Sep 2013 #117

Because it tells you not to as well NoOneMan Sep 2013 #118

That is why men can control themselves. thanks. boston bean Sep 2013 #119

Most Men and Women, yes NoOneMan Sep 2013 #121

none of that makes lusting after young girls normal, which is what is being boston bean Sep 2013 #125

I agree. Its not normal NoOneMan Sep 2013 #143

In many it is. That is where we disagree with the sickness boston bean Sep 2013 #145

"they do have control over those thoughts" NoOneMan Sep 2013 #149

LOL, you have gone back to the cave man days. boston bean Sep 2013 #151

Free will is a religious concept NoOneMan Sep 2013 #154

Most religions deny the free will... ie god makes things happen boston bean Sep 2013 #158

"none of this is based in any choice at all" NoOneMan Sep 2013 #185

Disagree wholeheartedlywith your take. You won't convince me. boston bean Sep 2013 #186

You cannot defeat truthiness in the end NoOneMan Sep 2013 #188

Having a mind and believing making choices of ones own makes it perfectlly freaking clear boston bean Sep 2013 #190

Im actually a computer scientist that dabbled in a variety of neuroscience/psychology in undergrad NoOneMan Sep 2013 #194

You can tell a brain isn't make a conscious choice. boston bean Sep 2013 #195

"No doctor would believe that humans don't have control over the choices they make" NoOneMan Sep 2013 #197

I know it, and you leftout part of my sentencein that quote. boston bean Sep 2013 #198

Yet you keep responding. Funny how thats working. NoOneMan Sep 2013 #204

Choice is an illusion? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #189

Its an illusion, yes, because at that specific time and circumstances, there is only one possible NoOneMan Sep 2013 #196

Oh FFS ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #199

What if we do? If a quantum flucuation changed processing behavior significantly is that a "choice" NoOneMan Sep 2013 #200

Well that is a question isn't it? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #201

But isn't this the same argument for why gay people should not be gay? Moonwalk Sep 2013 #147

Are you suggesting Gay people and pedophiles are in the same category? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #163

Putting words in my mouth? Shame, shame, shame.... Moonwalk Sep 2013 #202

*sigh* ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #205

That's absurd. Union Scribe Sep 2013 #216

? upaloopa Sep 2013 #2

I would agree that it's creepy to ask that... Bay Boy Sep 2013 #3

it is also funny to beat up women who don't cooperate in a 3 way according to some DUers nt msongs Sep 2013 #4

i didnt read the replies. and another said thing about du, regardless, violence to another seabeyond Sep 2013 #7

What post are you refrring to? Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #6

thank you. i will make the correction. seabeyond Sep 2013 #8

A whole new level or creepiness, that one. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #9

Easy question.... daleanime Sep 2013 #10

not rude, just damn pathetic that you feel no more passion about fucking with children seabeyond Sep 2013 #11

Now that is really a sick reply. Where is the fucking children part? upaloopa Sep 2013 #20

wtf do you think we are talking about in this thread. grown fuckin men fuckin with children, even seabeyond Sep 2013 #28

What is it in you that makes you feel you have it so upaloopa Sep 2013 #40

that is sad. so so sad. go away. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #43

Not sad on my part, on yours yes. Go read some psych books upaloopa Sep 2013 #50

You came here ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #55

^^^ yes ^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #57

I know ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #63

I am reacting to all the posters like you saying anyone here is upaloopa Sep 2013 #70

Then what are you trying to say besides harassing Seabeyond? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #100

Heh! Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #104

Huh? daleanime Sep 2013 #29

you throw out a sarcastic dismissive answer to this OP. a man makes an OP about the earliest age seabeyond Sep 2013 #32

yes, yes I do... daleanime Sep 2013 #61

Who was that who made you a convenient target? I think you did that all on your own. Squinch Sep 2013 #38

thank you... daleanime Sep 2013 #62

"maintains the zombie patriarchy" NoOneMan Sep 2013 #14

No it isn't. ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #59

"The best answer is "lusting after children is fucked up" period." truly seems too hard for too seabeyond Sep 2013 #75

Let me be blunt here, seabeyond... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #219

it would help your argument if you even knew what youw ere arguing before admittedly not seabeyond Sep 2013 #221

I'm very clear on what I've seen from you here and in that other thread... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #224

you want all this consideration for a post in mens forum, and totally have no ability to give to my seabeyond Sep 2013 #225

Can you not read timestamps? redqueen Sep 2013 #228

Meh ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #234

Prostitution is already legal in Australia. redqueen Sep 2013 #235

apparently you have no idea what yr talking about Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #240

Me? I'm even tempered ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #241

Oh PLEASE. redqueen Sep 2013 #242

I like Stoya ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #236

Yes, you are wrong in saying the other OP was self-deleted before seabeyond started this OP here. MadrasT Sep 2013 #232

obviously didnt take time to read the thread boston bean Sep 2013 #239

Just to be clear--That was MY comment; Sea was agreeing with it ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #233

You have utterly failed in reading this situation Violet. boston bean Sep 2013 #230

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #133

Well I remember that Jimmie Carter admitted to upaloopa Sep 2013 #17

lusting a child... born with? or only men born to lust, women.... nah, no lust seabeyond Sep 2013 #19

I did not put child in my reply. upaloopa Sep 2013 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Sep 2013 #34

i didnt know what you are saying men are born with. lusting over children or just lust. so, women seabeyond Sep 2013 #35

The discussion is about lusting after children. No one attacked you. Squinch Sep 2013 #41

Women have no sexual desire? No "lust"--such a biblical term-- ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #60

Lust is in all of us. This OP is a trap so the upaloopa Sep 2013 #68

LOL, it's not a "trap"... FFS redqueen Sep 2013 #73

If you actually thought the OP was a trap, you wouldn't have waded in. So here's what Squinch Sep 2013 #82

don't have too upaloopa Sep 2013 #83

or there are pathetic human beings that have to validate disgusting behavior by saying everyone has seabeyond Sep 2013 #84

that's not what I said is it? upaloopa Sep 2013 #85

ya bubba, and you can read about my scenario also. they both are documented. you throw out shit seabeyond Sep 2013 #86

If you are talking about projection, you really are missing the big fat wad of irony that you Squinch Sep 2013 #97

You're the bully ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #102

Can't we do better than 'lust'? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #107

you know? really huh. lol. only men lust. those women have it easy. geeezus seabeyond Sep 2013 #76

What the hell? ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #52

i keep seeing that face. seabeyond Sep 2013 #77

Its Pris in he movie Bladerunner ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #101

ah. thank you. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #109

Are you seriously unable to distinguish between children and adults? BainsBane Sep 2013 #213

Somehow I miss these posts from the bottom of the cesspool, & I'm glad. -nt CrispyQ Sep 2013 #16

i walked away from it when it first hit latest thread. knew it was one i never wanted seabeyond Sep 2013 #23

I saw that and could not move a way fast enough--how damned creepy... hlthe2b Sep 2013 #22

wasnt it? isnt it? and here is sits in du. on a fucking progressive board that protects children seabeyond Sep 2013 #42

Yeah. A little bird linked me to that ... redqueen Sep 2013 #44

Who asked such a thing? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #46

Good God ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #49

I've seen some attractive teenagers at my daughter's high school. redqueen Sep 2013 #64

Exactly ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #67

EXACTLY. It is disgusting. redqueen Sep 2013 #69

"compared to me, they are children." exactly. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #79

very good. very very good. adn this should be explored in its own OP so men will realize seabeyond Sep 2013 #78

eew that is kinda creepy gopiscrap Sep 2013 #74

saw that yesterday and could barely believe it was coming from a long time member - Kali Sep 2013 #80

kali... seabeyond Sep 2013 #81

I have no idea what you're talking about. Link? pitbullgirl1965 Sep 2013 #93

Can someone please link to the thread? Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #94

Never mind, I just figured it out. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #98

I am officially creeped out by some of the responses in this thread. boston bean Sep 2013 #96

i hear ya bb. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #99

So. Am. I. And talk about DEFENSIVENESS --not to mention deep resentment at the disturbing sense of MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #105

now it is being said it is all about may/dec relationships with adults. so where does pedophilia seabeyond Sep 2013 #110

I can umderstand why they'd delete it and try to spin it as a "May-December" issue. redqueen Sep 2013 #114

Facts are facts DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #108

thank you don. and how easy is that. that fuckin simple. and that simple to shut the disgusting seabeyond Sep 2013 #111

That was yet another thread I passed over and didn't really think about. Now I kind of regret that. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #115

and then to pretend it wasn't about BainsBane Sep 2013 #123

Yup. Delete and put out how they will be accused of something not said. Pedophilia seabeyond Sep 2013 #124

The thread where the same men are arguing no responsibility in the rape culture. Right here seabeyond Sep 2013 #126

What is creepy is accusing people upaloopa Sep 2013 #127

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service LittleBlue Sep 2013 #130

Go away. boston bean Sep 2013 #132

But there's disruptive behavior to assist with! redqueen Sep 2013 #138

I assisted, glad the community abrogates their responsibility and wants hosts to handle it all. boston bean Sep 2013 #148

our fault. not being nice enough discussing our men lusting after our daughters. nt seabeyond Sep 2013 #150

No one accused you of anything. nt boston bean Sep 2013 #131

and those that defend a man asking how young can we lust after our girls without being considered seabeyond Sep 2013 #135

If you have to ask, you're being creepy. gtar100 Sep 2013 #128

i have been thinking about this. and i think... the poster as much as anything wanted to bond and seabeyond Sep 2013 #136

You're such an optimist. nt redqueen Sep 2013 #137

i believe a lot of these men don't want to fuck our kids. kids are a tool for their manhood in front seabeyond Sep 2013 #139

even more than sex, their image of their manhood takes precedent to decency and all things. seabeyond Sep 2013 #141

pretty fucking creepy ... I know - it was rhetorical but, you asked! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #142

From my pov, the question is creepy because it is asking for permission... Moonwalk Sep 2013 #155

It's not moot ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #164

In what forum is this thread in you are talking about? hrmjustin Sep 2013 #156

It was self deleted ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #165

Lol I checked the men's room because I figured it was from there. It was. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #166

Ew. ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #170

I stopped posting there. Than again I never really did post there. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #173

the other thing they specialize in BainsBane Sep 2013 #174

They're out whining in GD now ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #177

They can't get over Iverglas BainsBane Sep 2013 #179

Oh I know! ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #181

3 IP checks BainsBane Sep 2013 #182

OMG, it would be hilarious if she was still reading ... redqueen Sep 2013 #183

She's their ultimate nemesis ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #184

I think her biggest fan BainsBane Sep 2013 #214

someone threw iverglas and eloise at me in one of the threads. didnt think much of it, or know what seabeyond Sep 2013 #215

Huh. Well, it isn't normal for a grown man to lust after children. Deep13 Sep 2013 #157

The problem is that a thread like that can show up on a supposedly liberal, progressive, Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #161

Yep. It's (sadly not) amazing that this important point isn't glaringly obvious to everyone. (nt) redqueen Sep 2013 #180

I never liked like the DU juries... Deep13 Sep 2013 #212

The argument being made in this thread ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #167

are you kidding? BainsBane Sep 2013 #169

Nope ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #171

1-5 to leave BainsBane Sep 2013 #172

And this is why it's intellectually lazy, very sick ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #175

The only similarity is that neither can control his/her desires. Deep13 Sep 2013 #211

Woe!!!!! No one asked me !!! Mental excess of any kind tells a story orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #176

Thank you! ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #178

I just watched ' Blade Runner ' for the Zillionth time, my wife asked why orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #209

Now I have to watch it again! ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #210

I also have all three versions, this is the scene that made me a believer . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #220

I'm rather ignorant regarding this entire subject. I have gut feelings about such things... BlueJazz Sep 2013 #207

"...brings to mind heartbreak and evil things..." Which I guess is why the post in the Men's Group nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #218

I'm usually a day late and a dollar short in regards to this stuff. LanternWaste Sep 2013 #231

Ya... seabeyond Sep 2013 #237