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In reply to the discussion: The "good feminist" [View all]

BainsBane

(57,760 posts)
19. I think the key is listening
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 12:21 AM
Sep 2013

What bothers me is how many insist blatantly sexist things are not sexist. They refuse to listen or care about how they impact me or others concerned about an issue. They don't care enough to listen.

I appreciate your not denouncing feminists as too aggressive, but I don't think it's necessary that you avoid disagreement, as long as you care enough to listen to the other person's perspective and seek to understand it. Common among all men who oppose feminism is the refusal to listen, to acknowledge the other person's point of view. They consistently trivialize it because they not want to acknowledge anything that challenges their view of the world. Or, as another member's husband says, it may be as simple as they just don't like women enough to listen to us. Denouncing the woman as too aggressive or as a "school marm" is an excuse not to listen.

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The "good feminist" [View all] BainsBane Sep 2013 OP
If your support for equal rights depends on how softly someone speaks to you,... seabeyond Sep 2013 #1
"School Marms ??" Did someone actually say that ? I might as well say what's on my mind: BlueJazz Sep 2013 #2
Yes, someone said it BainsBane Sep 2013 #3
"I think they see their own privilege as more important than the social good as a whole" BlueJazz Sep 2013 #7
I'm so fricken old.... delrem Sep 2013 #4
oh, I talk softly all right - Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #5
If my brief education in women and gender studies has taught me anything... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #6
number one is a given. but, ya know, that number two? seabeyond Sep 2013 #8
So do you disagree with #2? Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #9
no. seabeyond Sep 2013 #11
I do BainsBane Sep 2013 #13
I am, indeed, a man. Which adds a very strange level of irony to most of my arguments. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #14
I think it's fine you are here BainsBane Sep 2013 #16
i said i see it in different ways. and if allowed to really look at what is being suggested, seabeyond Sep 2013 #17
That is sort of an inescapable issue with anything I think or say or suggest on the subject. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #18
I think the key is listening BainsBane Sep 2013 #19
Listening is probably the most fundamentally important aspect. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #23
what about respect? interesting, I need to think about #2 some more. thanks for that post. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #10
My philosophy on respect is give it to those who have earned it. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #12
yes, that is what I am getting at ... I have found that once I earn a man's repsect or any human for Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #15
Very, very, painfully slowly. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #20
yes, that One Moment of lucidity, of clarity, of epiphany ... and then build on it. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #21
the fog is removed from their eyes. if only for a moment. seabeyond Sep 2013 #22
I so strongly agree with everything you've said in this thread. redqueen Sep 2013 #25
HeH! ismnotwasm Sep 2013 #24
This is why I pretty much stick to this group and the Feminists group. redqueen Sep 2013 #26
>> and fuck that! << so tired of it, too. redqueen. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2013 #31
" Good Feminist " is like " Agreeable Dissident " orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #27
Well that was a laugh riot. redqueen Sep 2013 #28
That whole OP and a bunch of responses to it were just depressing. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #29
you are jsut right. it is no more than that. the men that came in to applaud are the very men that seabeyond Sep 2013 #30
It was obviously deliberate flame bait. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #32
as 95% of the posters easily recognized the flamebait, yet jury held. results. seabeyond Sep 2013 #33
That (miserable track record), and the fact that chervilant Sep 2013 #35
Exactly BainsBane Sep 2013 #34
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