History of Feminism

Warren DeMontague

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55. For what it's worth, I agree with you guys on this.

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:55 AM

Nov 2013

I think openly opposing reproductive freedom should be a red line for this site. Much as it is, I believe, now a line with opposing LGBT marriage equality.

Admin made a conscious and public decision, as I understand it, a year or two ago to say, yes, opposing marriage equality is in and of itself grounds for a PPR. I feel- actually, I think this discussion has come up before, I know it came up in meta- I feel that being anti-choice; namely stating support for passing laws outlawing abortion- ought to be an area where admin likewise says "sorry, not here".

Of course, that's not the same thing as someone saying they are personally opposed to abortion- but being anti-choice, wanting to outlaw it- that ought to be against the rules here. Period. No question.

That's my 2 cents. I'm happy to say so in ATA as well.

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Did you see this? [View all] boston bean Nov 2013 OP

isn't part of choice Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #1

Not when one denies choice to others. That is the definition of anti choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #2

how can a progressive Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #3

It is an anti choice position she was supporting. boston bean Nov 2013 #4

I belive she said she votes democratic Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #5

post 7. you are wrong. again. and niceguy, every one of your posts have NOT supported seabeyond Nov 2013 #8

You are obviously........... Amaril Nov 2013 #13

I can't say JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #6

yes they can hold their position and be democrats. and yes, du can say.... we do not hold that seabeyond Nov 2013 #7

Some people just think women aren't entitled to as much of a right to bodily autonomy as a corpse is redqueen Nov 2013 #9

I'm sorry, this might be a deal breaker for me ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #10

Ask me if I'm surprised. redqueen Nov 2013 #12

Yeah ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #15

women's rights seem to be last on the list here. Whisp Nov 2013 #76

yup. on my hide, i was told i was supposed to talk to skinner about schoolgirls soiled panties seabeyond Nov 2013 #84

That was a ridiculous response by Skinner. And pitbullgirl's question was exactly on Squinch Nov 2013 #16

It really, really is ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #19

Maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt and ask him if he was kidnapped Squinch Nov 2013 #20

Heh! ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #21

And that one was PPR'd. But I am still reeling about the fact that the position here is that, Squinch Nov 2013 #22

Me too ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #24

And not understanding that it's just as bad as saying racists are OK, as long as they're polite. Squinch Nov 2013 #27

I kind of feel like taking a shower ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #28

Yeah. The disappointment is so large, it is almost a nauseous feeling. Squinch Nov 2013 #29

I too am extremely disturbed. I don't want to associate with a group or site that boston bean Nov 2013 #30

It is a biggie because it is so fundamental, and it is clear that there is simply no understanding Squinch Nov 2013 #34

I am really torn. I am giving this some real thought. boston bean Nov 2013 #36

Exactly ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #41

There is that. And the fact the overwhelming majority support choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #44

Yeah, but the opinions of MRA types don't signify to me. I need to chew on this. Squinch Nov 2013 #46

I feel the same. Squinch Nov 2013 #45

I have a daughter who is like that and she expresses it just that way ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #48

Well...congratulations on the grandchild! Squinch Nov 2013 #49

Oh, THAT one was 14 years ago ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #50

Wow! THat's actually pretty cool. It's highly possible that you could meet your great, great Squinch Nov 2013 #51

I know ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #52

In what world is it OK MadrasT Nov 2013 #53

I had a similar experience. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #23

That one. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #25

i liked seabeyond Nov 2013 #26

Oh I definitely thought so BainsBane Nov 2013 #31

Can someone send me a link if they have it handy. Nt boston bean Nov 2013 #32

Thank you for the link. OMFG! boston bean Nov 2013 #33

Imagine if that had been BainsBane Nov 2013 #35

No I can't imagine they would have lasted more than a day until admin got back on duty. boston bean Nov 2013 #37

Try an hour BainsBane Nov 2013 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #38

Yes BainsBane Nov 2013 #40

Why would it get a hide? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2013 #43

Ok ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #47

This is a specific example of why I don't have a star anymore. MadrasT Nov 2013 #11

Exactly. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #14

Yes. Unless I see something that rescinds that point of view, my star will not be renewed. Squinch Nov 2013 #17

Ha! This place is not progressive in the least. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #18

look people, we had a thread of mostly men say a woman who is 9 months preg should be denied a glass seabeyond Nov 2013 #54

That really should be a huge wake up call to anyone who thinks that misogyny is a right-wing thing. redqueen Nov 2013 #70

exactly redqueen. they do fool so many, because those people need things to stay the same, but.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #71

That one surprises me less than the anti-abortion shit allowed to stay here. redqueen Nov 2013 #73

+1 gollygee Nov 2013 #79

For what it's worth, I agree with you guys on this. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #55

Thank you ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #65

Very discouraging. KitSileya Nov 2013 #56

The forced organ donation even in the face of other health problems is an apt analogy. Squinch Nov 2013 #62

This almost a litmus test for separation of church and state ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #67

Could somebody link to the anti-choice post A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #57

I'm not going to post a direct link, but you can read through thread. boston bean Nov 2013 #58

Reading it again, it just gets worse. Squinch Nov 2013 #59

Overtly rude is exactly what it is. It's offensive. No matter how nice someone says it. boston bean Nov 2013 #60

Exactly ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #63

I can't see how someone who is anti-abortion (for everybody, not just for herself) MadrasT Nov 2013 #68

I mean as a personal decision ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #69

I think there is a distinction between anti choice boston bean Nov 2013 #74

"I can't believe this shit is allowed here." A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #64

+1000 ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #66

Jesus ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #61

And once again I am stunned redqueen Nov 2013 #72

I think we should all rec this post so that it gets wider viewing. Squinch Nov 2013 #75

That was some thread. historylovr Nov 2013 #77

we will not be seeing a response from Admin. Whisp Nov 2013 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #80

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #81

And now your thread in General Discussion has been locked. Squinch Nov 2013 #82

It was a plea for some understanding on the topic. If anything boston bean Nov 2013 #83

it wasnt a whine. repeatedly i see meta thread left standing in GD and the argument for it. in a seabeyond Nov 2013 #86

3 men alerted on it as an sop violation. boston bean Nov 2013 #87

+1 redqueen Nov 2013 #88

sorry you got a post hidden chervilant. bad hide. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #85