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Warren DeMontague

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48. I see what you're talking about, although it is a different story. All I can add is my own opinion.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 06:27 PM
Apr 2012

My opinion which is, of course, that terms like "consenting adults" only have meanings if both "consent" and "adults" are bright, unequivocal lines- people need to accept that consenting adults are still consenting adults when they make choices those people may find objectionable, and people also need to accept that non-consent and non-adults are areas for criminal prosecution and deep moral condemnation.

And that needs to be universal, and consistent, whether the perpetrator is a "hot" female cheerleader or a well "respected" Priest. Oddly enough, if you look at the history, it's the child abusing priests who seem to get the most leeway, legally and socially, and carte blanche to continue their merry way free from prosecution or hassle. I think much of this is that so many people view the Church's stated anti-sex platform as inherently "moral", despite protecting child abusers.

(For some reason, advocates of open, adult sexuality who are unequivocal in their stances against child abuse- like, say, LGBT activists- are viewed, in many cases, as less moral than the Vatican. Weird.)

So, yes, these sorts of crimes are crimes, period. I do think there is room for reasonableness in these laws to cover, for instance, the high school senior and sophomore who have sex. Because when I was in High School, this sort of thing happened, it happens now, and I'm sure it happened when even the oldest members of this forum were in High School as well. Treating the 18 yr old who has sex with the 17 yr old as a sex criminal strikes me as a waste of lives and resources, and frankly misguided. This does not apply, of course, to the teacher/student dynamic outlined in the thread.

I think one thing that is happening in many of these stories is that (some) people get their own memories of teenage sexual fantasies tangled up with the reality of a criminal abuse situation. They're wrong, and misguided. I ALSO think that there are some people on this board who are angered by any expression of sexuality or expression of appreciation of sexual attractiveness (i.e. "hot&quot in ANY context, and basically more than the crime itself it is the fact that there is a perpetrator who is being viewed as attractive by (some) people on the board that is the real cause for the tension, anger, and mental anguish.



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They ARE crimes, and IMO the teacher's age does not mitigate it at all. Richardo Mar 2012 #1
In this case I agree with you Drale Mar 2012 #2
having raised sons, so seeing the reality of their emotional maturity and the reality instead of seabeyond Mar 2012 #3
Usually in these stories, they post a picture of the "hot" teacher... PassingFair Mar 2012 #5
"under 18, wrong. against the law. period." jberryhill Mar 2012 #9
In 12 states: MadrasT Mar 2012 #10
so a 18 year old and a 17 year old Drale Mar 2012 #15
he never felt the need to put himself in a position to go to prison seabeyond Mar 2012 #16
My objection is to the abuse of power Cirque du So-What Mar 2012 #4
this is the more serious problem to me Kali Mar 2012 #7
It's a crime but not just because of age HopelesslyLiberal Mar 2012 #6
and if you are keeping count. HopelesslyLiberal Mar 2012 #8
Teacher/Student is a power gig. chemp Mar 2012 #11
It's sick. redqueen Mar 2012 #12
Like we don't have people like that on this board... PassingFair Mar 2012 #13
Oh heck yes we do. redqueen Mar 2012 #14
You said it perfectly. It's promoted by capitalism. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #18
sigh Broderick Mar 2012 #17
20 year old woman and 14 year old boy? no, it's wrong. Scout Mar 2012 #19
Yeah, it is wrong. But that's not the case in question. This was a 20 yr old woman & 14 yr. old girl Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #20
or... it could be the last paragraph from the OP having the question shift to seabeyond Apr 2012 #21
nah, couldn't be that seabeyond, Scout Apr 2012 #22
And THAT was very evident on another thread on DU MadrasT Apr 2012 #24
thing is, i have teenage boys and nephews and a lot of their friends around seabeyond Apr 2012 #25
This is how sexuality is skewed. redqueen Apr 2012 #26
this is what has bothered me for a decade, more. adults are playing in the kids sexual journey seabeyond Apr 2012 #27
And worse, its the adult world that caters first and foremost redqueen Apr 2012 #28
yup. nt seabeyond Apr 2012 #29
Thing is, when I hear about a sex crime, most of my outrage is reserved for the perpetrator. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #31
has anyone said differently? nt seabeyond Apr 2012 #32
In this thread, I see outrage directed at porn, jokes, "hijacked sexuality" and DU in general. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #34
It's not that difficult to follow. redqueen Apr 2012 #35
Hmmm. Interesting. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #37
Jesus Christ. redqueen Apr 2012 #40
Oh, okay. So the thread is outrage about DU and the people who post here, and not a sex crime. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #41
Yep exactly. redqueen Apr 2012 #51
Well, I sure hope they get what they deserve for their multitudinous and heinous crimes. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #52
duh redqueen Apr 2012 #53
lol seabeyond Apr 2012 #54
No point wasting big words redqueen Apr 2012 #55
you mean big words like, "heteronormative gender bias confrontational context consciousness raising" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #56
you made the point about 4, 5 times. i think you are trying to make something out of it. seabeyond Apr 2012 #36
I'm just asking a question. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #38
it has been answered for you a number of times. one more time. seabeyond Apr 2012 #39
Funny, that you would write it in a thread that seems to entirely blow off the actual crime in favor Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #42
really slow now.... because the OP was NOT about the actual crime. seabeyond Apr 2012 #43
No, I get it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #44
if you want to start a thread about the crime. do. and you will get a consistent answer seabeyond Apr 2012 #47
I'm challenging biases in a confrontational consciousness raising context Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #49
you fail... nt seabeyond Apr 2012 #50
It isn't "imagined" MadrasT Apr 2012 #46
I see what you're talking about, although it is a different story. All I can add is my own opinion. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #48
20 year old woman and 14 year old girl is also wrong Scout Apr 2012 #23
I'm wondering why everyone assumed it was an 14 yr old boy, when it says right Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #30
Well, most people are straight MadrasT Apr 2012 #33
Thank you for the linear and cogent reply. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #45
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