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Tumbulu

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23. Yes, I agree that it began with
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 04:52 PM
Jun 2012

the domestication of plants and animals and then could it be that the patriarchy was formed in the hopes of domesticating the women.....? Not sure, but it seems to me that the utter value of the female domesticated animal and the use of 98% of the male for meat purposes has a very sobering effect on a person, on a group of people. Even now, anyone who raises livestock is sort of stunned by this. It is so sad and I have long felt that the religious rituals associated with animal slaughter are all about helping people who have changed themselves enough to nurture the domesticated animals so completely can be helped in some way when it comes time to kill them.

Until I had sheep I had no idea what "good shepherd " meant. To me it seems to be all about bottle feeding lots of lambs, or getting the mom to take care of the rejected lambs. Taking care of sick animals, watching them and chasing predators away. One does all this and the sheep don't even like you. Then these guys you fed for months grow up and if they are males they get killed for meat. These ones that looked up at you with love every time you fed them. Who one cannot help loving back- a good shepherd really loves their sheep, enough to get up in the night to feed lambs and check on them. And so I am of the opinion that this change from hunter to killer of domesticated semi-tamed highly cared for animals presented (and presents) such a moral dilemma to us as humans that we needed help, and lots of it. And that this killing and eating of animals one has cared for so much creates utter confusion emotionally and spiritually.

The old series "When God Was a Woman" I think chronicled the timing of the change in image of the source of the life force from female to male in the collective imagination, which religions then cater to.


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Nope. It seems to me religion just codified and sanctioned it. redqueen Jun 2012 #1
That's what I think, too. It's an historical expression of misogyny, not its cause. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #5
So, if I understand what you are saying correctly, Zorra Jun 2012 #7
Yep. redqueen Jun 2012 #10
i dont know that would be true. i dont know that in caveman time that structure would be either seabeyond Jun 2012 #11
Yeah, probably with the advent of agrarian society... redqueen Jun 2012 #15
Yes, I agree that it began with Tumbulu Jun 2012 #23
so true, so true, so true..... i love this. this is why i had a hard time seabeyond Jun 2012 #25
Thanks sea, I don't raise meat sheep though Tumbulu Jun 2012 #29
thank you for more info. seabeyond Jun 2012 #30
This makes a lot of sense. snot Jun 2012 #27
I agree. That seems to be the most reasonable explanation. Zorra Jun 2012 #17
I believe the Abrahamic, religions are the root of misogyny, Kalidurga Jun 2012 #2
Probably not but it's certainly been used by bigots to justify them. Warpy Jun 2012 #3
Yes libodem Jun 2012 #4
I take exception to the article's statement that: pnwmom Jun 2012 #6
That's a very valid point, IMO. nt Zorra Jun 2012 #8
I think that religions adopted misogyny Tumbulu Jun 2012 #9
male is completely dependent on the female for the life everlasting of the species seabeyond Jun 2012 #12
thanks sea Tumbulu Jun 2012 #28
good for you. me, not so much. lol. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #31
The bible seemed to help with the adoption of misogyny quite a bit... Little Star Jun 2012 #14
But the Christian Bible and all the other writings reflect only Tumbulu Jun 2012 #21
Yep! Little Star Jun 2012 #22
A distinct possibility. And that would add a whole 'nother dimension to Zorra Jun 2012 #19
My 2 cents snot Jun 2012 #13
Good post & I agree. CrispyQ Jun 2012 #26
LGBT, Feminists, Homophobia & The Patriarchy... Little Star Jun 2012 #16
Well said. I agree, unequivocably. nt Zorra Jun 2012 #18
Dualism is the root of misogyny and.... chaska Jun 2012 #20
Yes, major religions in general have/are misogynist . MerryBlooms Jun 2012 #24
Whether they started it or not, they continue to propagate it. PassingFair Jun 2012 #32
No, it just does what it's good at. laconicsax Jun 2012 #33
Yes ismnotwasm Jun 2012 #34
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