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MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
19. Women grow up with a lot of programming
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:30 PM
Jun 2012

Programming that tells us we are not supposed to upset people. And especially that we are not supposed to upset men.

The drive for heterosexual females to have men "like" them is a very powerful force. (Mustn't say anything to upset the menz.)

Plus there's the whole aspect of competing with other women (to be the cool, congenial one... the kind of woman that is liked by the menz).

Many women want men to *like* them, so they don't want to be that obnoxious you-know-what that speaks out. (Everybody knows men hate cranky feminists, just look around DU.)

It takes a lot of *courage* to break free from that. (And self confidence, and self acceptance, and not being an affirmation junkie.)

And before you even get to the point of needing *courage*... you need to even see that the problem exists.

(And once you see it, the whole situation is beyond frustrating.)

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Perhaps it's a reluctance to suffer verbal abuse Warpy Jun 2012 #1
That could be. Waltons_Mtn Jun 2012 #2
No, they are less than human... rfranklin Jun 2012 #3
Please note what group you're in. redqueen Jun 2012 #8
No, they are not. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #7
Yeah, that reminds me again of something I saw on facebook... redqueen Jun 2012 #6
I see this happen too SoutherDem Jun 2012 #4
And if you're forced to interact with them I get it ... redqueen Jun 2012 #9
Just my opinion SoutherDem Jun 2012 #11
Yeah, the key difference being redqueen Jun 2012 #13
after that horrible conservation that i am still thinking about... seabeyond Jun 2012 #15
And the fear / complacency / cowardice of our middle aged and elderly. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #18
A real man DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #5
Looking at the feminist movement over the past 20 years... redqueen Jun 2012 #10
how easily the most vocal of us fall into it too. as i did with a post seabeyond Jun 2012 #12
That is very sad. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #14
Or they laugh after they say something that could be construed as controversial. Peregrine Took Jun 2012 #16
So you mean they'll share a feminist criticism as if they were only joking? redqueen Jun 2012 #17
Women grow up with a lot of programming MadrasT Jun 2012 #19
i am seeing two threads. one, the continued escalation of hurt, injured women as entertainment and seabeyond Jun 2012 #20
Oh, those are my favorite ones. MadrasT Jun 2012 #22
Ha. You reminded me of this. redqueen Jun 2012 #21
Amen JustAnotherGen Jun 2012 #23
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