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DonCoquixote

(13,951 posts)
32. like any war
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jun 2012

It depends on if the army is defensive, or has dreams of empire. Everywhere there is power of any sort, there will be those that seek it and will twist it. As far as prisons go, I remember an article by Susan Faludi, called "matricide." In the article, it talked about the , if I may dare use a male analogy, "pissing contest" there was between "third way feminists" and older feminists. It gave examples of people from both camps that meant well, and both sides that had hot malice.

The prison analogy comes in when, in the article, the older feminist castigates a younger one for wearing high heels. Now, High heels did mean a sort of mad men bondage to older feminists, who remember when the crap in "Mad Men" was common. To some younger ones, high heels are used to stand taller than men, or to remind them that they can stomp holes in their feet with their nice Titanium heels. Now, I say that one person's bad memory of the "Mad Men" era can be another girl's "I dominate the idiots at work" shoe. The idea should be that women, or for that matter, all human beings, should be able to wear a shoe that fits them. But, sadly, because of silly details like that, people that should be fighting for each other fight with each other.

And as far as us vs them, we often get fixed on who us and them are, and do not update that definition. Yes, the feminist has to fight patriarchy, however, patriarchy is not just a matter of gender, it is a matter of power. The people who take advantage of this difference are Sarah Palin, Laura Ingraham. Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter and other Right Wing Valkyries. They get to live the dream of being people that are listened to, respected, read, and then say "see my sister, I am what a real woman is, at the very least, you must admire me, if not submit to the right wing politics that did after all, empower me."

Now, I know that folks like you, seabeyond, and your average DU feminist will NOT fall for that crap. I repeat, I know you do not buy this crap, because you know these people are puppets of the patriarchs. However, as we found out in Wisconsin, the DU reader is a bit smarter than the masses. There will be people who think the enemy of feminism will always be a male, and they might see these people parading around in their blazers and go "wait a minute, they are like me, if they command such respect, maybe they have a point." And then the Fortress walls come crumbling down from within, as many people accept these Trojan Horse feminists. I say this as a Latino that remembers when W. worked hard to cultivate Latino votes, until the folks from Arizona could not hold their breath and demanded a war on immigration. This from a party that gained Florida, and the nation, because of Cuban Immigrants, and their progeny, like our would be veep Marco Rubio.

Again, my goal is not to slam your points, or deny the validity. I just bring up details that I think arrant addressing, because, well, let's be honest, the right did not get to where they are because they are smart, they got there because there was always a detail or two we overlooked, and they crawled in. The Walls of Troy resisted the Greeks, but the trojans made the mistake of thinking the Greeks would be good honorable losers.

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this is what people defend on du. tell us there is not an underlying issue seabeyond Jun 2012 #1
It'd be comforting to think it was all a bunch of preteen idiots... redqueen Jun 2012 #2
Are these indie women trying to take my BOOBIEEEES!!?! truedelphi Jun 2012 #37
! ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #42
FYI 4Chan = Anonymous Indydem Jun 2012 #3
Not sure what point you're trying to make... redqueen Jun 2012 #4
My point? Indydem Jun 2012 #10
Agreed, they terrorized feminist bloggers in the beginning. He loved Big Brother Jun 2012 #46
"Why do we tolerate it against women?" redqueen Jun 2012 #49
Or wait no sorry, it's death threats and nasty wikipedia edits for feminism that men don't like.... redqueen Jun 2012 #5
And then they wonder why Manifestos are written. MadrasT Jun 2012 #6
I left out the attempt to sabotage the kickstarter account... redqueen Jun 2012 #7
I see your point but DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #11
i think that whole argument with scum is intellectually lazy and i am not going to allow some to seabeyond Jun 2012 #12
That was not the point DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #15
interesting. but, i dont see it like you do. as i said, women have lived in that stink forever and seabeyond Jun 2012 #17
hey... btw. i didnt come in here to argue with everything you said, just worked that way seabeyond Jun 2012 #18
I understand DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #20
i am done with those don. i just wont do the ugly anymore. seabeyond Jun 2012 #21
The problem lies in the Berlin Expat Jun 2012 #23
interesting story. but, yes, that is the fun of it, too. seabeyond Jun 2012 #24
it seems ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #43
I chose the term quite deliberately and intentionally. n/t MadrasT Jun 2012 #25
They're even trolling the comments at the NS site... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #8
They're everywhere. redqueen Jun 2012 #9
Strictly moderated boards DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #13
the bully does not stop if everyone around them says nothing. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #16
True enough DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #19
interesting.... seabeyond Jun 2012 #22
Women have been fighting for centuries. redqueen Jun 2012 #26
+1. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #27
I understand that DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #28
cycles where ther is hope, and dark ages seabeyond Jun 2012 #29
Thanks DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #31
We are definitely in the dark ages now. redqueen Jun 2012 #30
like any war DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #32
Someone could find examples of such pissing contests among groups of liberals, redqueen Jun 2012 #33
Of course DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #35
good post. after study over the last couple months, i think you got some wrong. i think seabeyond Jun 2012 #36
actually, I agree with you. DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #39
first article by Susan Faludi seabeyond Jun 2012 #40
i really liked the second article. seemed the woman was much more on target. seabeyond Jun 2012 #41
go 4 it DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #45
Great reply, seabeyond! He loved Big Brother Jun 2012 #47
we got ambushed with the wave issue. study and thought and realization that 3rd is not solely define seabeyond Jun 2012 #48
+1 Little Star Jun 2012 #50
+ ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #44
Anonymous DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #14
K&R SunSeeker Jun 2012 #34
Proud to be Rec number 23. n/t truedelphi Jun 2012 #38
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