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84. I love being 60 for the same reason. God, how I used to hate that shit! I never felt like a

Reply to LiberalLoner (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:27 PM

Jun 2012

human being -- so often I felt like a piece of fuckable meat. Esp those assholes with the "smile!" bullshit.

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Men Will Never Truly Understand A Day In The Life of Women. But Shouldn�t We Try? [View all] seabeyond Jun 2012 OP

I love being 50. It means I don't get nearly as much of this crap as I used to. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #1

It is all about dominance...The great apes might use physical methods to intimidate and dominate... hlthe2b Jun 2012 #3

hey... a man wrote the article. i love this man. he so clearly thinks about it seabeyond Jun 2012 #4

Why do we have to clarify always? LOLOL hlthe2b Jun 2012 #5

Yes...It's a great toon and it's GREAT that it's by a man...Who knows? whathehell Jun 2012 #95

the article is written by a man. i dont know who made the toon. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #97

I know...Excellent!..n/t whathehell Jun 2012 #107

"appreciative for those who take the time to call other men on this behavior " sufrommich Jun 2012 #8

And reminding us of 'our place'... redqueen Jun 2012 #6

How do you feel about Spice Girls, GIRL POWER? WingDinger Jun 2012 #19

social conditioning from the day we are born seabeyond Jun 2012 #20

I think those examples underscore a societal problem... Girls from an early age so often learn that hlthe2b Jun 2012 #23

Great post, thank you! LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #48

Traitors is harsh. Sellouts works for me. redqueen Jun 2012 #24

I don't think you can really hold sufrommich Jun 2012 #25

Madison Avenue CREATES very few needs. They simply exploit human nature. WingDinger Jun 2012 #27

it is learned. and it is learned thru privilege. it is not accepted when learned racism seabeyond Jun 2012 #30

Sorry, saw the comic strip. I will. WingDinger Jun 2012 #32

Spot on, sea. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #33

How about Madison Avenue creates need based sufrommich Jun 2012 #34

"perpetuating stereotypes based on those they are willing to exploit" nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #36

Is that a question? sufrommich Jun 2012 #39

it is true. and makes perfect sense seabeyond Jun 2012 #42

I think they do create needs. Hatchling Jun 2012 #105

I found out that all I really needed was to pay my rent and utilities seabeyond Jun 2012 #106

Men are damaged by women in the current system, no doubt! You bring up a good example! LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #49

I really do not like women who play up Tumbulu Jun 2012 #102

All humans play up their sexual attractiveness. sufrommich Jun 2012 #111

i get the part of not playing games. growing up, i always saw a lose situation when games were a seabeyond Jun 2012 #112

i was thinking about this story seabeyond Jun 2012 #113

Well Sea,I think that's called "liking to be sufrommich Jun 2012 #115

i can go back to the 70's seabeyond Jun 2012 #118

Oh yeah, I remember it well. nt sufrommich Jun 2012 #120

Good point- but not all humans play up their sexuality Tumbulu Jun 2012 #144

that is the thing. it was a forced role alwyas, before and how insulting was it. seabeyond Jun 2012 #146

Attention and harassment are two different things. redqueen Jun 2012 #114

Redqueen, I think this should be a learning sufrommich Jun 2012 #116

thank you. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #119

I get so depressed. redqueen Jun 2012 #121

I know it's depressing, but I also know sufrommich Jun 2012 #123

I thought that's what I was doing. redqueen Jun 2012 #125

I think that all of you have been perfectly fine- Tumbulu Jun 2012 #136

It's not shock over power, redqueen Jun 2012 #139

but, i think that is the huge point that we gave up on our daughters. seabeyond Jun 2012 #141

But there very much is reward. redqueen Jun 2012 #145

ultimately, i dont believe so. seabeyond Jun 2012 #147

Yes yes yes, re: long term vs. short term, redqueen Jun 2012 #149

you cant seabeyond Jun 2012 #151

... redqueen Jun 2012 #155

i have been thinking about this, a lot seabeyond Jun 2012 #158

you are right. it is like what i read in a thread with cupp..... seabeyond Jun 2012 #117

That is a very good point. redqueen Jun 2012 #122

You are correct that it is always the abusers fault Tumbulu Jun 2012 #148

Just the pornification of society. redqueen Jun 2012 #150

this is the conversation seabeyond Jun 2012 #152

good points (nt) Tumbulu Jun 2012 #153

I apologize for being terse in my first response. redqueen Jun 2012 #124

.... sufrommich Jun 2012 #126

lol. yes... i hear ya. seabeyond Jun 2012 #127

I am sorry for setting off a trigger for you Tumbulu Jun 2012 #137

...... sufrommich Jun 2012 #138

Thank you, so much. redqueen Jun 2012 #140

demonizing the very desperate who turn to prostitution to make ends meet seabeyond Jun 2012 #143

Excellent points and you are correct Tumbulu Jun 2012 #154

palin absolutely used her sexuality to get a fuckin vote. you are absolutely right. seabeyond Jun 2012 #142

Same here, that invisibility cloak is a wonderful thing Warpy Jun 2012 #77

I love being 60 for the same reason. God, how I used to hate that shit! I never felt like a Nay Jun 2012 #84

Me too!...When I was "young and cute" I got barraged with ALL of the above all the time whathehell Jun 2012 #94

55 and I still get honks and wolf whistles Skittles Jun 2012 #101

Thank you for your thoughtfulness! snot Jun 2012 #2

Excellent cartoon and article. sufrommich Jun 2012 #7

another part of the problem is conditioning girls/women to just take that shit Kali Jun 2012 #9

The problem is that a lot of this aggression sufrommich Jun 2012 #10

lol... you are right on. so, we have to make damn sure we teach our girls. that is not their role seabeyond Jun 2012 #13

my 13 yr old niece and friend went to dinner with my 45 yr old woman friend. a waiter seabeyond Jun 2012 #11

+1. I put up with so much crap when I was a young woman that I really should not have. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #12

i did, too. we all did. you are right. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #14

+1 redqueen Jun 2012 #16

Absolutely... we all did. hlthe2b Jun 2012 #18

If that happened as described, that was sexual assault... hlthe2b Jun 2012 #15

i was so mad and disappointed in this woman. i also know that she lives her life this way seabeyond Jun 2012 #17

a waiter in a restaurant?!!?? Kali Jun 2012 #21

exactly. seabeyond Jun 2012 #22

Oh wow..That is horrible!...I would have taken that guys ass apart, especially with his manager! whathehell Jun 2012 #130

ya. i had the same issue. kinda harsh with her. seabeyond Jun 2012 #132

Interesting. whathehell Jun 2012 #133

isnt that seabeyond Jun 2012 #134

When I was younger I always got the "Smile. It can't be all bad" prole_for_peace Jun 2012 #26

so, my thought. since most all us women reacted in this manner to the "Smile. It can't be all bad" seabeyond Jun 2012 #28

WHen men are still young and beautiful, they get that too. WingDinger Jun 2012 #51

really? i had never heard that. now, that is interesting. hm. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #52

It is understandable that women would instantly think it is , like most else, a hit. WingDinger Jun 2012 #54

attempting to get them into mating position seabeyond Jun 2012 #55

they really said smile? i am thinking about this now. i can see a ... life isnt so bad seabeyond Jun 2012 #53

Wow, I didn't know that happened to men, too? What makes me think it's about LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #56

Our faces droop and sag, we get slack as we age. WingDinger Jun 2012 #57

I have actually asked the men in my life if some stranger ever told them to "smile" -- they looked Nay Jun 2012 #91

Either way, I'm relieved to be left alone! :) LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #96

But this was only said to me by men prole_for_peace Jun 2012 #60

Older men think that they are cute, and unthreatening. They are allowed SOMe leering and approaches WingDinger Jun 2012 #61

I have never in my entire life had the thought that I wish someone else would smile (or have any LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #62

THATS WHY YOU ARE A LIBERAL. WingDinger Jun 2012 #63

me either. not my place to out of the blue, tell another to feel something, in anyway... lol. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #65

Older men think that they are cute, are allowed SOMe leering seabeyond Jun 2012 #64

Yes, older men SHOULD be schooled on not being creepy. WingDinger Jun 2012 #67

creepy older men will change when enough of the peers frown on intrusive stupidity. seabeyond Jun 2012 #68

That is so true, I've seen it time and time again, men only listen to other men, not always women. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #80

"am I supposed to look like a grinning idiot all day" sufrommich Jun 2012 #29

"Why yes,yes you are. " bwah hahahaha. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #31

I surely hope that you are smiling as you say that... hlthe2b Jun 2012 #70

Indeed, it is the point. Your face exists to make the background of men's lives enjoyable; Nay Jun 2012 #93

Smiling makes you look prettier for them. redqueen Jun 2012 #35

or... make the girl/women appear approachable or receptive, possibly seabeyond Jun 2012 #37

Why would that matter to them though? redqueen Jun 2012 #38

It has always annoyed me too, but I do think, especially with older men, it is hlthe2b Jun 2012 #40

But if you perceive a loved one feels unhappy, do you just command them to smile? redqueen Jun 2012 #41

If they knew the girl, yes... I agree sometimes it is a boorish comment, other times just inept. hlthe2b Jun 2012 #44

I get it now, for non strangers who are older. redqueen Jun 2012 #46

well, then, they are hitting on you. tell them seabeyond Jun 2012 #47

but seabeyond Jun 2012 #45

when they perceive a young girl's unhappiness seabeyond Jun 2012 #43

Great post, thank you! Smiling also makes us look more submissive and less threatening to them. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #50

Media has some to do with this. Watch the stupid grins when those on MSNBC are introduced. WingDinger Jun 2012 #58

That's really interesting, thanks! LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #59

it is, and it isnt. i am having an issue with these lines cause it is sounding like evolutionary seabeyond Jun 2012 #66

Ignoring the roots of behaviour, does nothing to improve your odds of changing the status quo. WingDinger Jun 2012 #69

the new evolutionary psychology is guess and story telling put out as fact and ignore conditioning seabeyond Jun 2012 #71

In this instance, the story is patriarchially empathetic. WingDinger Jun 2012 #72

Your assumption is that Feminism is so obviously correct, and gentile, seabeyond Jun 2012 #73

"in the instance we are talking, men listen to men" WingDinger Jun 2012 #74

so, i am gonna reply to this. but, lets stop here for a moment, please. seabeyond Jun 2012 #75

Better than most of those, even on DU. WingDinger Jun 2012 #76

You have a point here. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #81

wont find me arguing that it is a particular genders fault or that it is all one gender. seabeyond Jun 2012 #82

It has been PROVEN, that irritation can EASILY be mistaken for sexual attraction. WingDinger Jun 2012 #83

This is PUA bullshit, is what it is. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #85

Study the science. It is clear. WingDinger Jun 2012 #88

Pick Up Artists redqueen Jun 2012 #92

i would have to read it, but, i am seeing all kinds of variables being forced into a perspective seabeyond Jun 2012 #86

Irritation mistaken is not gender specific. WingDinger Jun 2012 #87

when all of history has not allowed a woman the ability to feed her children or receive education seabeyond Jun 2012 #89

Are you familiar with the PUA scene? redqueen Jun 2012 #98

i am. i have spent time reading it. i will find an example to post. it isnt pretty seabeyond Jun 2012 #99

The PUA Scam seabeyond Jun 2012 #100

Yikes- Tumbulu Jun 2012 #104

and the ripples spreads out. this is what the most desperate adn vulnerable men are learning about seabeyond Jun 2012 #110

That list is creeptastic. BlueIris Jun 2012 #108

and this was the least offensive. i dont know why, but somewhere along the way a while ago seabeyond Jun 2012 #109

Wow, those are some seriously messed up humans who are buying into that stuff. Very sad. :( MerryBlooms Jun 2012 #171

you will hear a lot of it, much more subtle all over the place, even here. seabeyond Jun 2012 #172

Quite a grim picture. MerryBlooms Jun 2012 #173

this is what really bothers me. i hear so many meh, about these issues or tell me it is not a big seabeyond Jun 2012 #174

A few of the variables at play as to how much and who would be affected- MerryBlooms Jun 2012 #175

the more you learn about it, the more there is to learn seabeyond Jun 2012 #177

" how can they dismiss it if they are clueless " redqueen Jun 2012 #176

the more i am realizing this happen, even from those that are all about PRO and seabeyond Jun 2012 #178

btw... later i will have to see if i can find anything on the seabeyond Jun 2012 #90

"Alpha Males dont always consider the best for society" PassingFair Jun 2012 #103

people with agendas abuse science all the time Kali Jun 2012 #78

i agree. that is why i said it is and it isnt. seabeyond Jun 2012 #79

It might have been fun to answer "Do you have an hour to learn just how bad it is"? whathehell Jun 2012 #135

Along that line prole_for_peace Jun 2012 #156

OMG! whathehell Jun 2012 #157

Totally straight face prole_for_peace Jun 2012 #159

i loved it. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #160

I love it! whathehell Jun 2012 #161

no... just mumbled seabeyond Jun 2012 #162

maybe the point is, if it was not all on a mans shoulder to have to seabeyond Jun 2012 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Jun 2012 #164

Sorry, I'm not awake yet, and so misread your post. whathehell Jun 2012 #165

coffee. i should NEVER post before ENOUGH coffee. seabeyond Jun 2012 #166

Disagree. She was reading a book. At a repair shop. redqueen Jun 2012 #167

disagree with your disagree. lol lol. kinda, sorta. i acknowledged unwanted seabeyond Jun 2012 #168

I don't see how they're related. redqueen Jun 2012 #169

it's sexist and dumb. seabeyond Jun 2012 #170

Mini and Midi skirts in the 60s and 70s HockeyMom Jun 2012 #128

they BOOED me. ROFL I loved that, seabeyond Jun 2012 #129

A chorus of "shame on you" works too. Women sufrommich Jun 2012 #131