History of Feminism

Drale

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1. I know this will be an unpopular view but

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:47 AM

Jun 2012

is it possible that all these terrible people are terrible people first and just happen to watch porn? I've watched porn and when I was single I watch it more then I'd like to admit but I've never wanted to molest any one or cheat one my girlfriend. This is similar to the "video games cause kids to be violent" argument which study after study has shown to be bullshit. Yes there is some pretty messed up and terrible porn out there but theres also a lot of pictures of just naked women and just normal people "doing it". I will admit that porn has a negative impact on girls body images but its not just porn, its advertisements, movies, tv shows and "fashion" designers as well. In the end even if porn was illegal, people would still find ways to get it and watch it because people Americans especially are fascinated and obsessed with sex.

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Porn & Pop Culture: A deadly Combination [View all] seabeyond Jun 2012 OP

I know this will be an unpopular view but Drale Jun 2012 #1

And yet some people still choose to deliberately make false claims of correlation... TheWraith Jul 2012 #102

I think it could have an effect on influenceing under age child sexual abusers though. JNathanK Jul 2012 #130

Considering that there's absolutely no evidence to support such an idea... TheWraith Jul 2012 #136

GREAT post! bettydavis Jun 2012 #2

I found this shocking: CrispyQ Jun 2012 #3

not only that article that was very informative, videos of what happens behind the scene of porn seabeyond Jul 2012 #8

Most men who cheat, abuse women, divorce their wives, etc watch porn 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #4

i understand men who are pro porn have a strong NEED to insist, demand, repeat that ALL men seabeyond Jul 2012 #5

"the simple fact, with easy access to porn, it has done damage to relationships and marriages. " 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #6

google. i have been shown by pro porn people, regardless of the number of links, studies and facts seabeyond Jul 2012 #7

Awesome 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #9

backatcha.... prove you really are not interested in facts and do nothing to educate yourself. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #11

A) the onus of proof 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #12

again, proving you really are not interested in facts and reality or the subject at hand. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #13

Asking you to provide evidence proves I don't care about facts? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #15

i know the game. i am not playing. anyone that is actually interested would become informed. seabeyond Jul 2012 #17

Could you address the conundrum I presented in post 16 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #18

Citation needed: CrispyQ Jul 2012 #10

. . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #14

I have articles, too. CrispyQ Jul 2012 #22

One is a link to a book review 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #48

I have no problem agreeing with pretty much all that Major Nikon Jul 2012 #120

This is where I have trouble too MadrasT Jul 2012 #131

porn is the problem. the cause seabeyond Jul 2012 #139

I agree it could be a symptom as much as a cause. redqueen Jul 2012 #135

I'm not sure you understand the reason for porn Major Nikon Jul 2012 #137

the romance novels you talk about are prior to 80's. you would be incorrect about the genre today. seabeyond Jul 2012 #138

Hardly Major Nikon Jul 2012 #140

bah hahaah. that is your proof? cover descriptions? seabeyond Jul 2012 #141

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups Major Nikon Jul 2012 #143

and look how popular they are. pretty resoundly rejected and called out for it. seabeyond Jul 2012 #146

I never claimed they were bestsellers Major Nikon Jul 2012 #147

whatever seabeyond Jul 2012 #149

Address your arguments with seabeyond to seabeyond. redqueen Jul 2012 #142

I did. You replied to me replying to her. Major Nikon Jul 2012 #144

I addressed your points, you went off about what someone else said. redqueen Jul 2012 #148

and this is why there are posters i never converse with on this subject, anymore. nor discuss it on seabeyond Jul 2012 #150

Yeah, I've been screwing up this week. nt redqueen Jul 2012 #154

it does nothing but feed what they are looking for. seabeyond Jul 2012 #155

Personal attacks are so classy Major Nikon Jul 2012 #153

87% of men who molest children view porn, 87% of average men view porn 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #16

still flogging those right wing fundy sources, eh sea? opiate69 Jul 2012 #19

BDSM�s Rape Problem And How To Fix It: Summary Of �There�s A War On� Series seabeyond Jul 2012 #24

"less than 10% of the genrral population" opiate69 Jul 2012 #28

you so effectively ignore an issue. no surprise there. meh... rape, pffft seabeyond Jul 2012 #29

you have no idea what I do or don`t do concerning issues in my community. opiate69 Jul 2012 #30

i absolutely recognized that the woman writing the article is from the community. why i thought seabeyond Jul 2012 #32

really? opiate69 Jul 2012 #33

Why is it a rw fundy source? Hatchling Jul 2012 #36

i had a list of police officers quoted in various newspapers that rape was downgraded in their city seabeyond Jul 2012 #37

I commented on them Major Nikon Jul 2012 #145

Lighted Candle Society.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #39

i the name of honesty, i see you are making it clear i did not post any of this crap seabeyond Jul 2012 #40

really???? you didn`t???? opiate69 Jul 2012 #41

amazing. truly, amazing. good way to argue the issues. i give you a site from a woman within your seabeyond Jul 2012 #43

I didn`t dismiss that article... opiate69 Jul 2012 #47

you didnt prove anything was faulty. you did not like the source. seabeyond Jul 2012 #58

are you actually reading the words that I`m typing opiate69 Jul 2012 #69

One person? redqueen Jul 2012 #74

do you even know what we`re discussing? opiate69 Jul 2012 #75

No, I magically lost the ability to read when I looked at your posts. redqueen Jul 2012 #78

Its my assertion that she`s the only one whom seabeyond cited. opiate69 Jul 2012 #80

For you to say that Kitty is the only person calling out the rape and abuse in the bdsm scene redqueen Jul 2012 #82

it is not about knowing less about his community but willingness to deny seabeyond Jul 2012 #84

Some people have their heads in the sand MadrasT Jul 2012 #87

Yes that has been SOP in that community for ages. redqueen Jul 2012 #89

and again with the reading comprehension fail.. opiate69 Jul 2012 #88

"... based on one person`s anecdotal testimony." redqueen Jul 2012 #91

yes.. one person cited.. opiate69 Jul 2012 #92

If you're aware of what's been going on in the community, redqueen Jul 2012 #94

trust me, I dont... opiate69 Jul 2012 #100

Obviously, you do. redqueen Jul 2012 #103

i dont know redqueen. when someone presents me with info people are being harmed, even women, seabeyond Jul 2012 #105

That's how progressives usually react. redqueen Jul 2012 #109

Yet here on our lovely site, MadrasT Jul 2012 #111

+1. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #113

Wow. redqueen Jul 2012 #114

yes... and those men were equally rejected. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #112

lol... opiate69 Jul 2012 #106

lol indeed redqueen Jul 2012 #110

Well as long as you think you're qualified to educate folk... opiate69 Jul 2012 #116

took that stat out and put in another. there is plenty. you can keep pretending everything is seabeyond Jul 2012 #44

if you want people to stop "dismissing stuff" opiate69 Jul 2012 #52

Evangelicals are the final authority on porn 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #49

yep.. although in her defense she did remove that particular citation.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #54

Ah well removing it means it never happened 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #64

Heh.. well, I`m sure the good Drs Reisman and Hilton will rise again! opiate69 Jul 2012 #72

I think another interesting question is.... Little Star Jul 2012 #20

I would expect honesty, yes. redqueen Jul 2012 #21

Amen! Little Star Jul 2012 #23

It's really sad to think of how many women are told they're just being jealous or controlling. redqueen Jul 2012 #25

How Pornography Impacts Marriage and Family Life seabeyond Jul 2012 #26

Out of curiosity, if the guy in a relationship 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #51

My point is that honesty is the best policy, always..... Little Star Jul 2012 #83

the correlation must be their porn is a dear friend? nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #86

pretending it doesnt effect us or relationships seabeyond Jul 2012 #27

Violence Against Women on the Internet seabeyond Jul 2012 #31

Related. redqueen Jul 2012 #34

Or heck, why not start at the beginning... redqueen Jul 2012 #35

The Difference Between Huffing Dong and Flipping Burgers seabeyond Jul 2012 #38

I know. To see rapetastic images and then blithely dismiss them... redqueen Jul 2012 #42

I want jerking off to be quicker and easier... more than I�m jerking off to might be being raped seabeyond Jul 2012 #45

and be damn careful you do not use a neurologist that has a study with stats seabeyond Jul 2012 #46

She also has a series on why she hates men 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #50

link? nt redqueen Jul 2012 #53

Ask and ye shall receive: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #55

Comprehending what you read is a core part of literacy Scootaloo Jul 2012 #56

An easy enough retort 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #60

Well, no, the article is pretty obviously meant as snark Scootaloo Jul 2012 #107

"4th law" Thanks for your good efforts to enlighten the original poster to the process of ladjf Jul 2012 #57

Yeah, it's pretty sad what a religious-like adherence to some ideology 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #62

Well, we are actually discussing the fundamental problem with our political system, which is that ladjf Jul 2012 #98

you need some reading comprehension lessons. nt boston bean Jul 2012 #59

Could you explain which part of this quote: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #61

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #65

Yes, in her mult-page screed against all mankind 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #67

We do not hate men in this group. boston bean Jul 2012 #68

... redqueen Jul 2012 #63

One paragraph defending herself against any retaliation 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #66

Wow. redqueen Jul 2012 #71

That is either satire or the writer is just a judgemental prick, is there a name of the author? snooper2 Jul 2012 #70

I wonder why the porn obsessed feel the need to come in here. redqueen Jul 2012 #73

gotta defend the porn. seabeyond Jul 2012 #76

copying without citing makes the baby jesus cry, sea. opiate69 Jul 2012 #77

look, when you are given sites that have cuts from porn films where women are being abused and you seabeyond Jul 2012 #79

again with attributing words I never said to me.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #81

How do you feel about Sandra Fluke? Is she reputable enough? boston bean Jul 2012 #85

If she had good science to back her up... opiate69 Jul 2012 #90

ya, i know. nothing will work for you.... seabeyond Jul 2012 #93

She feels the same way about porn that many feminists do. boston bean Jul 2012 #95

I contend it's the vast majority of women. redqueen Jul 2012 #96

agreed. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #97

"feels"?? so she has an opinion on it... bully for her. opiate69 Jul 2012 #99

right, it's an opinion. you are entitled to yours others are just as entitled to theirs. boston bean Jul 2012 #101

of course she`s entitled to it... opiate69 Jul 2012 #104

No you are suppose to respect others opinions, right? boston bean Jul 2012 #108

We're supposed to respect other peoples opinions?? opiate69 Jul 2012 #115

This is a protected room. PassingFair Jul 2012 #117

Well..... opiate69 Jul 2012 #118

"We're supposed to respect other peoples opinions?" PassingFair Jul 2012 #119

I steadfastly refuse to respect the opinions of people like opiate69 Jul 2012 #121

quotes from policemen from legitimate newspapers across the country is not seabeyond Jul 2012 #122

My theory on porn: gaspee Jul 2012 #123

The loudest porn defenders are the ones suffering from the largest degree of cognitive dissonance. MadrasT Jul 2012 #124

Seems crystal clear to me. redqueen Jul 2012 #125

i think you have it right on. the struggle and fight to be the three monkeys. no hear, see, speak. seabeyond Jul 2012 #126

Porn is bad because its a comoditization of something sacred. JNathanK Jul 2012 #132

I can't agree with that. MadrasT Jul 2012 #133

If sex isn't particularly sacred though, I wonder why there's so much regret over it. JNathanK Jul 2012 #134

I think that a problem is that porn is becoming a type of pop culture Nikia Jul 2012 #127

nikia, you are absolutely correct. seabeyond Jul 2012 #128

Flimsy excuse, or actual influence? redqueen Jul 2012 #129

Its impossible to say yes or not based on the info in that story Drale Jul 2012 #151

and every girls wants to see a naked MAN, not boy, too. seabeyond Jul 2012 #152