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In reply to the discussion: Why 6-Year-Old Girls Want to Be Sexy [View all]seabeyond
(110,159 posts)20. i dont think there is a lot of thinkig if you are suggesting society does not feed this
all around our kids. you say "edit sexuality might not be the right word but children are aware of the difference between the sexes even at this early age, regardless of input."
from the day your daughter was born, she hears the comments, isnt she pretty. she is just beautiful. from the day your son was born he heard, look at him pump those fist, he is going to be an active boy. he needs to run. he sure can swing that bat. she is so pretty. she is going to be a charmer. she sits so quietly. isnt she nice. he is going to be a football player. look at him run. he is an active boy. she is so pretty.
what do you think your daughter is being taught.
every show she sees, every commercial, every cartoon, every disney movie, every toy in her pink section tells her who she is. nora is the only little girl in all of the childrens entertainment where she is not assigned a strong female (sexual) presence. and it is very defined and controlled. every time she stands in the toy isle she is being told who she is.
the boy section has no strong color identification.
then there is how the parents talk to their children. and how they talk differently to the genders.
to suggest outside forces do not effect our children at such a young age, that it is an innate quality, to me, is not insightful. that she wants a gun is wonderful. right there she is stepping out of the box created for her. gotta have it pink? why not? it is the only color allowed if you are a girl. thru adulthood. every issue that has to do with women is put in pink. do you really think it is because we women LOVE the color so much? do you really think we are making this decision that even in adulthood we are given an identifying color for our gender?
i had a son that wore out two of my high heels and loved my make up. another son that carried a baby doll for a year. two sons that from the youngest of ages read veraciously. one son that was so articulate and so good at communication at such an early years, he sounded like an adult and pissed off some adults. (all these are girl traits). neither boys excelled at math. both, top of the list in english. neither boys built things regardless of the effort and money i spent try to interest them because it was a "boy" thing. both played with dolls (gi joes).
all three nieces played war with sons. all three nieces wrestled. two out of three nieces played sports and had to be active and move and run. one of my nephews sits quietly.
what i am saying is,
It is strange to see my daughter want a rifle
this alone suggests that though you do not deny your daughter the opportunity, you are in that defined gender role in your parenting right there with so many other parents.
it wasnt strange for me to see sons at a very young age in down time, often, reading or sculpting clay, or coloring or painting.
it wasnt strange wrestling (mom wrestling) with the sons and the nieces.
it wasnt strange seeing the nieces playing war or sports.
they were raised as people. not gender. and they did not follow the assigned gender role.
two nieces totally rejected pink all on their own because they recognized the manipulation and assignment from society. refused all thiings pink. not innately, but intellectually.
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it is much deeper than just eating disorders. a society that has totally dehumanized the female
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#2
kinda confused over this one, are yoiu saying that someone hasnt the right to take pictures of
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#6
what is this with the cake thing? lol. i didnt even have a party for kids until 3 or 4.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#7
ya... that one is stupid, too. i know they want the little ones to dig i and getting messy
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#10
interesting that sport take a girl beyond this, and yea, what i was saying. but, also
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#8
was thinking about this article and not sure i agree with it %100, was thinking about my daughter 5
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#14
fair enough. i got no problem with them fulfilling gender roles as they are happy and content.
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#30
"Her thing is hunting trapping fishing" she has already proved to you the gender roles are bullshit
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#44
where are the assumtpion? i was asking you a question. that is not assumptions. the difference
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#52
okay i will take that back but trust me stepping outside tbe box is the norm
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#59
considering all the kids in tbeir peer group use guns that would not be an identifier
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#34
at that young age the difference in having a penis and not having a penis teaching nothing of all
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#40
no they know what a penis is. its not exaclty something that should be hidden esp whilst peeing
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#45
did i say it needed to be hidden? assumptions? my kids were naked all summer ever summer until THEY
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#48
i dont think there is a lot of thinkig if you are suggesting society does not feed this
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#20
no i was saying it was strange to see her want a rifle but it had to be pink
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#21
we cannot say for certain either way and as long as shes happy im okay with it
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#26
are you really suggesting that a COLOR is gender specific and not taught? are you really suggesting?
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#42
well, i am thrilled to hear and know that you do not think your girl loves pink simply because she
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#56
no pro lem i find the written word the worst form of communication there is
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#61
i really am enjoying my conversation with you. another oooops, on the roles we are given.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#64
different culture i suppose also im very open about stuff though i will disagree with you on everyth
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#70
but... you do not disagree with me on everything. after all these posts, we disagree on very little
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#71
we just need to avoid each other when sex is the subject as i know our views are miles apart
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#73
maybe. maybe not. i do not assume. questions work better for me. and clarification. nt
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#76
It is easy to teach kids to be aware of all the silly gender conditioning messages.
redqueen
Jul 2012
#33
her authentic self. that is the goal for both our boy and girl. from the youngest of ages i was
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#32
well then. there you go. it is not about gender, it is about liking the color and liking it on.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#43
never said it was just said my daughter likes pink regardless of others input
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#53
i am glad to hear, cause this conversation started out sounding you thought pink was about gender
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#58
no i was just against forcing either view on kids. i am for allowing them to find their own way
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#65
we agree. me, too. i totally refuse that type of parenting. hence, me teaching them
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#68
mines are a pain in the ass most of the time but they are fun and cheeky as crap
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#72
ha ha ha. see, the opposite, though nto a disagreement. mine are not a pain in the ass and not
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#74
i hate to say it but her mother is the big hunter i will do it but she is more skillfull
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#77
ha. cool. my hubby has found in shooting, the girls/women often do better than the boys/men
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#79
i was raised on a farm where at two i ran around the house to see father break the neck of two
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#82
mmmm, well see, i am very much open to differing views. i married a repug. i gotta be open. nt
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#85
rofl i stand by my advice that we avoid each other in any sex threads or you will be looking
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#86
no probs i am just going to go to your other thread to disagree with you talk to you again
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#89
in some ways i agree with you. my daughter wants to get married and have kids
loli phabay
Jul 2012
#37
what do you mean he is only 7 so not surprised? cause innately a girl has the need to marry and
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#60
thanks. isnt that funny. but, for real. each kid is uniquely themselves. two sons.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#66
dsk is innocent. edwards is innocent. polenski did nothing wrong. weiner is good to go.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#49
and yet.... i appreciate and value jd, just amazing how consistently opposite
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#69
redqueen, it is not that I think that is great behavior. I've been married to the same
JDPriestly
Jul 2012
#92
The struggle to enforce marital fidelity without more is just futile in many situations.
JDPriestly
Jul 2012
#95