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seabeyond

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45. and yet another article, another perspective of this mans opinion in the original OP
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:13 AM
Jul 2012

The other problem with this whole conversation about which women are legitimately geeks and which women are just faking it for male attention is that it still assumes that men are the ultimate arbiters. It’s another reminder to women that while we may be appreciated for our decorative qualities, we certainly shouldn’t expect to be welcomed beyond that as active participants. It’s another hoop to jump through, and a glaring indication of the fact that we’re seen as girls first, geeks second, and that we’re always going to have to work harder to prove that we belong.

It also assumes that all the women who attend conventions in sexy attire are doing it for the same reasons. This is patently false. Some women just genuinely enjoy dressing as highly sexualized characters, and they’re geeks through and through. Some women are being paid as professional models by major corporations to sell products to men, and shouldn’t be shamed for doing an honest day’s work. Some women are new to geek culture and are finding their way, and yes, some women are looking for attention and validation and a way to feel liked and accepted.

What’s wrong with that? Geek culture has traditionally been a haven for men who are looking for acceptance and haven’t found it in other places. Why should women be treated any differently? This idea that pretty girls have it all together and that they’re all consciously using their pretty girl powers to hold dominion over nerds really needs to die already. It’s not true. Learning how to be comfortable with ourselves is a lifelong journey for most women.

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This whole conversation could have been really positive. It could have focused on the idea that geek demographics are shifting, and that hiring scantily clad women to sell your product is no longer the best way to go about it. It could have focused on the fact that there are a lot of different ways to be a geek, and celebrated those “stunningly beautiful women who cosplay as stunningly beautiful characters from comics, sci-fi, fantasy and other genres of fandom”. It could have encouraged women who are new to geek culture or who hover on the fringes to really find what they like and get involved.

http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/26/in-defense-of-lady-geeks/?hpt=hp_c2

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Booth babes need not apply [View all] seabeyond Jul 2012 OP
I suppose it's all a matter of personal taste. I like geeky "Library Girl" types... NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #1
"grown men as 13 year old boys who like to objectify women". seabeyond Jul 2012 #3
I wish you and I would live to see a time when the popular media would stop... NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #5
so true and agree totally. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #6
cue: Where the Boys Are annabanana Jul 2012 #2
Where the Boys Are seabeyond Jul 2012 #4
as a "woman of a certain age" annabanana Jul 2012 #9
mad man really bugs me becuase with the step back that we have made of late seabeyond Jul 2012 #10
I think "Mad Men" is doing the opposite of reinforcing sexism. PassingFair Jul 2012 #33
Your post reminds me of something I read about All In The Family. redqueen Jul 2012 #40
come away feeling validated and happy with the show's dialogue. seabeyond Jul 2012 #43
I don't watch it, but if it's presented in such a way, redqueen Jul 2012 #44
Fuck this guy. redqueen Jul 2012 #7
this is seabeyond Jul 2012 #11
He is being an ass. redqueen Jul 2012 #13
Despite the title, I actually don't think he's talking about the paid models petronius Jul 2012 #21
Where does YouTube come into it? redqueen Jul 2012 #22
What I mean is, achieving popularity on YouTube or other social media petronius Jul 2012 #23
i thought the title not going with article, too seabeyond Jul 2012 #24
Many of the commenters at CNN redqueen Jul 2012 #26
Ohhhhh... redqueen Jul 2012 #25
I don't know about YouTube. Irishonly Jul 2012 #35
Seriously, fuck this guy. redqueen Jul 2012 #8
this was the conditioned male comment that so many repeat so often. no, i did not like this seabeyond Jul 2012 #12
It's not a caricature. redqueen Jul 2012 #14
the caricature is the belief that male sexuality is be all, end all, the universe is all about the seabeyond Jul 2012 #15
The way he tears down these women, whom he doesn't even know... redqueen Jul 2012 #16
see, i am not necessarily seeing that. seabeyond Jul 2012 #17
What makes you think his claim has any merit whatsoever? redqueen Jul 2012 #18
i am not a part of the culture and i do not know anything about it. i do not know seabeyond Jul 2012 #19
Yeah, most female characters in geek cultute are sexualized. redqueen Jul 2012 #20
Exactly...What about men who pretend to be feminists and God knows what else whathehell Jul 2012 #53
nothing like listening to tell a bunch of women who they are, what the feel, what they should say seabeyond Jul 2012 #54
All one needs to do is ask one of these "booth babes" questions siouxsiecreamcheese Jul 2012 #27
I never had to put up with that type of crap. seabeyond Jul 2012 #28
Speaking of the real thing... Xipe Totec Jul 2012 #29
I'd say she's a nerd. redqueen Jul 2012 #30
One of my favorite nerds passed away on Monday Xipe Totec Jul 2012 #31
Suddenly, blowback. redqueen Jul 2012 #32
here is another article on cnn talking about that article. seabeyond Jul 2012 #34
6 of 9 is a comparison to STVoyagers 7 of 9 One_Life_To_Give Jul 2012 #36
Did you read it? There's no room for any doubt. redqueen Jul 2012 #37
Rolled a 2? One_Life_To_Give Jul 2012 #38
Wife? redqueen Jul 2012 #39
Ever been to a comic con? One_Life_To_Give Jul 2012 #41
I've been to science fiction cons, comic cons, and a few other kinds. redqueen Jul 2012 #42
and yet another article, another perspective of this mans opinion in the original OP seabeyond Jul 2012 #45
Outstanding. SO glad she wrote this response. redqueen Jul 2012 #46
she has a lot of good points and the overwhelming that girls have to be "approved" seabeyond Jul 2012 #47
Yeah, that really pissed me off in the original editorial... redqueen Jul 2012 #48
As an attendee of many trade shows, booth babes are insulting. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #49
thank you. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #50
Well said. nt redqueen Jul 2012 #51
Fine. More booth babes for me. :) RandySF Jul 2012 #52
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