women, please tell your experience. some men do not get it. 19, 10pm, college campus

[caseymoz]

114. Yes, men have alway aged.

"men have been aging for a long time. facelifts have been around for a long time."

But they're also living longer than ever and have more disposable income when they get up in years. Hence, more efforts to become young again.

I ask you though: who wouldn't want to be young? It's like who wouldn't want to be in shape, or in good health? There is nothing inspiring, encouraging or even good about the aging process. To think that any human being would accept senescence over youth, especially when nursing homes are filling up, is to show the facts about aging haven't sunk in.

Now what's different is that plastic surgery become good enough that it can act as a superficial and very flawed solution.

Yes, we had plastic surgery for a long time. However, I don't think it has ever been this good. I think in years prior women were desperate enough to have procedures despite its flaws and dangers. Now I think it's good enough that it has reached the threshold of men's desperation, too. The results and risks are acceptable to men.

Again, every procedure you listed is not an enhancement, it's aging- corrective. When men are getting something like rib-graftings to give them wider chests, nose-jobs, cheekbone reconstructions, eye widenings, anything to actually alter their bodies in ways not specific to aging but chasing after some ideal of beauty they've never showed, then I'll believe you.

Studies have found that tall people do fare better. But it doesn't count because that's the man's parents, not him, who's making the decision.

"men and boys have never had the pressure that their worth is in appearance. what of the biggest disparity i see created by society is the female actress HAS TO fall in certain lines of beauty to be successful. very few ugly women get a job in acting. there are way more ugly men that are successful. over time, i have commented and my oldest son notices how few good looking actors there are.

"it is not because women do not have a consistency. it is because society does not force it on men."

You echo almost exactly what I said, except I would say society doesn't force it on men because women don't have that consistency. An ad campaign to sell anything besides full head of hair, penis size body height (if technology gets good enough) or, perhaps, fat reduction (liposuction) will fail, because in real life, males have no verification that any other physical trait is widely desired by females.

Like Mitt Romney, there are some things ads can't sell.

I was telling Redqueen, before she gave up on me, that actors are a special breed. You're not going to have very many unattractive ones simply because people must find them interesting and pay attention to them for a couple hours at a time. To be blown up on a movie screen to twelve times normal size, in high definition, takes guts if you're not beautiful. Making them the size of Greek Gods on the screen, BTW, automatically sexualizes them. (I, myself, am worried that my own favorite actress has an eating disorder. I wouldn't inquire to her about it, but she looks so thin that I'm concerned.) "Ugly" men in Hollywood, though, are generally higher than average in looks, and only look "ugly" in a Hollywood ensemble.

It's hard to say if less attractive men are more successful, because again, there's no strict standard to hold them to. Not enough women agree on what's attractive or unattractive, and men, straight ones at least, usually make it a point that they don't show any standards for male attractiveness, or think that every male is ugly. Part of those sex roles, a way to show they're straight.

Believe me, though, if there's a famine because of this drought, thin will be yesterday pretty damn quick.