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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Gormy Cuss Dec 2012 OP

agreed La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #1

Agreed -- and I also agree with LLP's suggestion downthread obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #2

Thank you and yes. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #3

I agree. I now know that it is absolutely needed. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #4

Agreed hedgehog Dec 2012 #5

thank you. i too support the proposal of adding more clarity to this issue in TOS. nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #6

Agreed. IMHO the folks who are posting sexist kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #7

Yeppp n/t HonEur12 Dec 2012 #163

I'd like to see the language before I endorse it. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #8

As would I. Because even as a rape survivor I think a lot of the complaints here have been over the peacebird Dec 2012 #10

Nah, you won't be PPR'd. rrneck Dec 2012 #13

Do you think sexism and misogyny should be in the TOS? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #19

I don't know. It depends on how you put it in there. rrneck Dec 2012 #21

So, you are ambivalent that sexism and misogyny should be TOS offenses obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #22

Strawman arguments should have some sort of repercussions too... n/t DRoseDARs Dec 2012 #27

Im ambivalent about endorsing a change in the TOS sight unseen. rrneck Dec 2012 #32

it really would have nothing to do with us. skinner would decide and word it. i trust him seabeyond Dec 2012 #43

I can understand that. rrneck Dec 2012 #59

he has it on du2. he can transfer it over. go find that. nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #66

Cool. Why dont you copy and paste it here. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #75

no. go find it. dont. i dont care. i am so fuckin tired of these fuckin games. nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #85

Well, if it's not worth a right click on your mouse rrneck Dec 2012 #95

What language from DU2 would you like transferred? Here are links to the rules: Make7 Dec 2012 #147

IMHO, a subset of that second link. Gormy Cuss Dec 2012 #161

how would YOU word it ?? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #31

I'd like to see what I'm endorsing first. rrneck Dec 2012 #63

Pretend you have been given the chance to word it. Write it into the Tos just like you are Skinner - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #72

I don't have an opinion yet. rrneck Dec 2012 #74

? you want I should word it for your approval ? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #79

Yes. That is why the OP was posted. rrneck Dec 2012 #94

refresh my memory - when did we get to vote on the ToS first go round? -- Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #103

I don't know that it needs to be reworded rrneck Dec 2012 #110

ok. understood and agreed the discussion should take place in Meta. There is a thread over there. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #121

Thanks. rrneck Dec 2012 #133

I agree with you. It really never was about the words HH used. It was his attitude - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #136

+1000 countryjake Dec 2012 #151

I agree I'd like to see how it's worded and it's not too much to ask.. one_voice Dec 2012 #33

skinner would decide on the phrasin and doubt he would be asking us, if he chose to adjust TOS. seabeyond Dec 2012 #39

Oh, I misunderstood... one_voice Dec 2012 #51

oh gosh, well, i do not know. i think we all have an idea that we would have influence in the seabeyond Dec 2012 #54

That would be the language obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #62

Then that's easy. Chan790 Dec 2012 #106

works for me.... nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #111

The admins will be the ones deciding how to word their own TOS... Little Star Dec 2012 #164

This is good. We need to have those two words "sexism and misogyny" in the text. CTyankee Dec 2012 #167

My expectation would be the inverse actually... Chan790 Dec 2012 #88

I see the use of the word gender as the basic problem. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #56

If someone were to say... one_voice Dec 2012 #83

So you are against clarifying language? DURHAM D Dec 2012 #86

No, I said I wasn't against it in my last comment.... one_voice Dec 2012 #93

okay. got it. thanks DURHAM D Dec 2012 #96

No member will decide the language. If the admins agree with proposal they will decide the language. Little Star Dec 2012 #36

How would you like for it to read? nt rrneck Dec 2012 #70

Personally, just adding the two words would be fine by me. Then like with all TOS.. Little Star Dec 2012 #135

I'd have to go the other way. rrneck Dec 2012 #139

But we already DO ban words. We don't allow "n****r" or "f*g". CTyankee Dec 2012 #168

Actually, for some reason I thought Little Star rrneck Dec 2012 #169

But I am wondering if we set such a high standards when it comes to race? Isn't the use of CTyankee Dec 2012 #170

About the best answer i can give you is little more than a policy statement rrneck Dec 2012 #171

but why is it so difficult to do this for sexist speech when it isn't for racist speech? CTyankee Dec 2012 #172

I see no difference. rrneck Dec 2012 #173

Two things: I am not familiar with what transpired with SalmonEnchantedEvening, so I don't CTyankee Dec 2012 #176

Well, like i said in #158 rrneck Dec 2012 #179

Is this any different from the evaluation process we already do here, with regard to racist and CTyankee Dec 2012 #180

I don't necessarily agree with the inclusion of those terms. rrneck Dec 2012 #181

Well, as to your first point: is it any harder to discern sexism than it is racism or homophobia? CTyankee Dec 2012 #182

I've only been a member for four years rrneck Dec 2012 #183

As we speak (type?) the discussion is on about Salmon's decision to leave and about HH's wife's CTyankee Dec 2012 #184

I agree. rrneck Dec 2012 #185

I love that you are an artist, but we do disagree about whether there will be a change to the TOS. CTyankee Dec 2012 #186

So glad to see everyone working together on this. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #24

I agree obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #26

yes... I see this as a very positive opportunity.... hlthe2b Dec 2012 #53

Glad to see you. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #58

Back at ya.... hlthe2b Dec 2012 #61

Skinner makes the decision on TOS violations. boston bean Dec 2012 #35

How would you like for it to read? rrneck Dec 2012 #73

Why yes I have. boston bean Dec 2012 #77

Thank you. rrneck Dec 2012 #78

why the sarcastic remark. boston bean Dec 2012 #82

Hmmmmm. More resistance. rrneck Dec 2012 #104

this seabeyond Dec 2012 #108

OMG, leave me alone please. this is becoming harassment. boston bean Dec 2012 #115

I agree. graham4anything Dec 2012 #9

"It should go without saying, but it needs to be said." redqueen Dec 2012 #12

Agreed. nt redqueen Dec 2012 #11

Honestly I've been avoiding these threads d_r Dec 2012 #14

Thanks for speaking out d_r. Little Star Dec 2012 #17

Beautifully said. redqueen Dec 2012 #18

Thanks, d_r. Well said. freshwest Dec 2012 #23

Wonderful post.Thank you. nt sufrommich Dec 2012 #25

Thank you so much for posting. boston bean Dec 2012 #37

can i record please, lol. i guess what i see is that for so many of us it is progression seabeyond Dec 2012 #38

you are too cool, d_r Skittles Dec 2012 #45

Awesome post gollygee Dec 2012 #64

IMO, your post is right-on-the-spot. salin Dec 2012 #65

No argument here Tsiyu Dec 2012 #107

d_r, thank you for laying it out so clearly. Gormy Cuss Dec 2012 #124

Thanks friend. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #145

This should be an OP for EVERYONE to read. Well said d_r. Thank you. n/t auntAgonist Dec 2012 #156

+1. Well said. n/t FSogol Dec 2012 #165

Thank you! myrna minx Dec 2012 #166

Agree. Would love to see the women of DU make this so.nt sufrommich Dec 2012 #15

The last few days make it pretty obvious that DU needs... Little Star Dec 2012 #16

I also support this effort and believe it is needed. n/t MadrasT Dec 2012 #20

K&R. thanks. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #28

I agree Ohio Joe Dec 2012 #29

Yes Kaleva Dec 2012 #30

I agree that misogyny and sexism need to be added to the TOS... Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #34

I am in 100% total support of this. boston bean Dec 2012 #40

yes obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #57

thanks for opening this topic, we need input from Admin on this. Whisp Dec 2012 #41

yes irisblue Dec 2012 #42

No, it's not the best place; Meta would be better. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #44

But it is about helping people. Hatchling Dec 2012 #188

sad that it is needed Skittles Dec 2012 #46

I support the idea, but I'm not sure it will help Scootaloo Dec 2012 #47

It will help with those who don't see it spelled out clearly, understand boston bean Dec 2012 #50

The problem is language is not static jeff47 Dec 2012 #130

Yes. It needs to be clarified. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2012 #48

Agreed LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #49

Absolutely. It must be in the TOS since the absence DevonRex Dec 2012 #52

I've already posted my thoughts on the subject Major Nikon Dec 2012 #55

some clarifications could be things like La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #60

+1 this -- great ideas obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #68

those are very good ideas boston bean Dec 2012 #81

Sounds pretty complicated Major Nikon Dec 2012 #90

Agreed n/t gollygee Dec 2012 #67

So a subjective judgement will deem a violation of TOS? Gman Dec 2012 #69

being against marriage equality may seem subjective to some La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #76

Well, unfortunately a lot of people here see some kind of slight in just about anything Gman Dec 2012 #89

yet some do. as should this one La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #119

Isn't that the same with all the mentioned bigotries? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #80

just look at the hh wife thread, how many defended boston bean Dec 2012 #84

adminstration decide the tos. that simple. regardless of how they clarify the tos, they are the seabeyond Dec 2012 #92

Point well taken Gman Dec 2012 #99

absolutely. and they do not rush. they take the time. and a person gets plenty of rope seabeyond Dec 2012 #102

There should be ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #71

Somebody got a primer on the reason for this? michigandem58 Dec 2012 #87

Sexism has no place on DU. nt s-cubed Dec 2012 #91

All for it. Here's the language from DU 2 that is pretty damn clear: NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #97

this. nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #105

I find it disgusting that many people apparently need to have this spelled out for them. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #109

yup. nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #114

Thank you. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #113

Same here re: ageism. I noticed a good amount of it in 2008. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #132

Me too. Little Star Dec 2012 #154

I like the first two paragraphs. I dont like banning specific words. rrneck Dec 2012 #118

I assume you are aware that the admin wrote it. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #122

That's what this thread is about. rrneck Dec 2012 #129

Yes, this. MadrasT Dec 2012 #125

I support a change in the TOS maddezmom Dec 2012 #98

I am in favor of addressing these issues with specificity in the TOS. Juries will fine tune WheelWalker Dec 2012 #100

No bigoted hate speech. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #101

Your suggested changes look to me to be just what is needed... Spazito Dec 2012 #120

This one looks good. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #126

that works also. nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #131

yeah, this works. one_voice Dec 2012 #140

K&R! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #112

I think Meta is the place you want to be Tsiyu Dec 2012 #116

Thanks, Tsiyu. Gormy Cuss Dec 2012 #141

it is depressing that, on what is supposed to be a progressive, democratic board, we actually have niyad Dec 2012 #117

I agree, clarity is needed in the TOS beyond using "gender"... Spazito Dec 2012 #123

An explicit statement will help everyone caraher Dec 2012 #127

I support an amendment to the TOS to make a prohibition against misogyny clear. yardwork Dec 2012 #128

Absolutely not. Words, alone, devoid of meaning should not be banned. Messages of hatred may be. leveymg Dec 2012 #134

not following ... DURHAM D Dec 2012 #138

So, a;; s;urs shuld eb allowed then? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #146

It all depends upon the context, what is the meaning and message. leveymg Dec 2012 #152

You know, I hate the word wars, and am often on the side of those who post silly and juvenile msanthrope Dec 2012 #137

Agreed. JoeyT Dec 2012 #142

Aye. JustJoe Dec 2012 #143

Agreed, LadyHawkAZ Dec 2012 #144

great idea! bettyellen Dec 2012 #148

Cross posting from Starry Messenger's thread.. Permanut Dec 2012 #149

I understand the functionality of preventing people from using the absence of that specific language patrice Dec 2012 #150

Don't know where it's best to propose it... countryjake Dec 2012 #153

I support this! n/t wildflower Dec 2012 #155

What constitutes 'sexism' here? The Doctor. Dec 2012 #157

Having thought about this TOS thing rrneck Dec 2012 #158

Unfortunatly it appears to be needed One_Life_To_Give Dec 2012 #159

I support this! nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #160

It is a fine place, but not the only place Tumbulu Dec 2012 #162

One could argue this is already covered by the TOS in several places justiceischeap Dec 2012 #174

I can't speak to the instance you reference about this poster who is leaving since I have not CTyankee Dec 2012 #177

Looks like it is, GC. Nice idea, thanks. nt Zorra Dec 2012 #175

I think it already very much does... ellisonz Dec 2012 #178

I think clarifying that sexism and misogny are unacceptable can only benefit discussion. misschicken Dec 2012 #187

Great idea. Hatchling Dec 2012 #189

has Skinner said Anything about this to anyone? Whisp Dec 2012 #190

No comment AFAIK Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #194

I hope he realizes how insulting that is. Whisp Mar 2013 #195

No it's fine as it is. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2012 #191

Agreed wryter2000 Feb 2013 #192

Yes. I think it's time our terms of service included a prohibition on denigrating 51% of the Squinch Mar 2013 #193

I support this 100%. MineralMan Mar 2013 #196

Kick'n Reck'n Vanje Mar 2013 #197

if nothing else, i would like to hear if this has been the administrations expectation and they seabeyond Mar 2013 #198

Its worse than it was 10 years ago here olddots Mar 2013 #199

Are you talking about DU.2 or DU.1? Rhiannon12866 Mar 2013 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Mar 2013 #201

Yes, unfortunately we have the answer. Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #202