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R.Quinn

(122 posts)
12. Thanks for the in-depth reply
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:58 AM
Sep 2014

I get where you are coming from with that flat tax scenario. I fully agree that $1,000 means something entirely different to a $10,000/year worker than $100,000 means to a millionaire. However, I think the solution would instead be a lower tax rate! 25% seems super, super high (although I know it was just an example). It may not be possible with our government in its current form, but I think a 10% flat tax rate would be fantastic. The wealthy are still going to be paying far more than anybody else. Making laws more complicated instead of simplifying them is where I believe we get into trouble. If we are trying to achieve fairness across the board, this is one way to go about it. Tax everyone the same.

In regards to your first data table on minimum wage, it seems that sometimes unemployment went up, sometimes down, and sometimes flat-lined. I see a lot of varying outcomes there. Early on it's true that unemployment seemed to decrease, but then from '74 thru '91, it generally increased following wage increases. My main objection is out of principle. For the federal government to impose a minimum wage is to damage the employer and employee's abilities to negotiate wages on their own terms, based on each other's needs and skills. An employer cannot hire a worker for $5 an hour, even if the worker would agree to it. That seems like a violation of liberty to me. Lastly, your recent results mention that eight of those states increased their minimum wages due to inflation indexing, which would suggest that wages are only being increased in relation to the worth of the dollar, which is only enough to keep pace. What this truly means is not that people are getting paid "more", but that the dollar is now worth less than it was before!

Now to firearms. Let me clairfy. My opinion on the shoulder-fired missiles is arbitrary. I wouldn't like it, but I would support private ownership. Now let me explain why. In the 70's and 80's, the US sent stinger missiles to Afghani militia to aid them in their fight against the Soviets. Our own government established precedent that, in our modern age, military rocket launchers are in the scope of citizen militias fighting against tyranny - inadvertently making the case that they could be covered under 2nd amendment. The whole point of the 2nd amendment, after all, is to be a check on tyrany, similar to the purpose of the 1st ammendment.

You are correct about my views of freedom of association. It does lead to some ugly conclusions, but not all valid expressions of freedom and liberty are good ones.

Lastly, I have not yet determined where libertarianism meets environmentalism or food safety. I will humbly submit that libertarianism certainly isn't the answer to everything. I would have to look into these matters further before I can give an educated opinion.

Thanks for your time, Scuba.

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So what makes you think you're a libertarian? Scuba Sep 2014 #1
I'm glad you asked R.Quinn Sep 2014 #2
A flat tax would be a terrible thing for middle and lower income workers - very regressive ... Scuba Sep 2014 #3
Hmm... R.Quinn Sep 2014 #4
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'll respond in detail ... Scuba Sep 2014 #5
Yes, the flat tax would apply to capital gains as well. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #6
Let's say a flat tax of 17% would cover all the expenses, and 2% more would be needed to Cal33 Dec 2014 #68
My thoughts .... Scuba Sep 2014 #7
Thanks for the in-depth reply R.Quinn Sep 2014 #12
OK, I looked at your responses .... Scuba Sep 2014 #34
Some more responses for you R.Quinn Sep 2014 #41
Thanks for you response. My thoughts ... Scuba Sep 2014 #44
More responses comin' at ya R.Quinn Sep 2014 #47
Glad to reply ... Scuba Sep 2014 #48
Back again R.Quinn Sep 2014 #49
Thanks for your reply .... Scuba Sep 2014 #50
Interesting. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #51
I love your reply Scuba Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #62
You're welcome to use it Kevin. Sadly the libertarian who prompted the discussion ... Scuba Dec 2014 #64
Have you ever read the marriage statutes in a state? I have and they are about who owns what, uppityperson Sep 2014 #9
You and I are asking the same question! R.Quinn Sep 2014 #10
Thank you for clarifying. Who are you supporting for the next Presidential election? I am curious. uppityperson Sep 2014 #13
I am not 100% decided yet... R.Quinn Sep 2014 #14
DU is split on Ms. Clinton and I do not know who for the primary. uppityperson Sep 2014 #15
Question as to your views on marriage NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #16
Good question R.Quinn Sep 2014 #17
It is extremely relevant to the discussion because of this. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #18
Let me state my position again. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #20
Because your line in a previous post, quoted below, is a troubling position to take, in my view. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #21
I see. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #23
Do that one man one woman have to be of breeding potential to be recognized as a real marriage? uppityperson Sep 2014 #25
In your scenario, R.Quinn Sep 2014 #27
I am asking your opinion since this is a discussion forum and we are discussing this. uppityperson Sep 2014 #31
To answer R.Quinn Sep 2014 #36
You say' "marriage" is between a man and a woman', yet partnerships should not be viewed uppityperson Sep 2014 #19
This really comes down to semantics. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #22
If you were to congratulate a couple on their marriage, what would you say to each? uppityperson Sep 2014 #24
I don't believe it's "separate but equal" R.Quinn Sep 2014 #26
You forgot to answer any of my questions. Let me ask again and add 1 more uppityperson Sep 2014 #30
Sorry, I did forget to answer your questions. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #32
Talking about our personal beliefs is a way to get to know one another. Thank you for answering. uppityperson Sep 2014 #35
But you recognize that both the civic and the religious institution are called "Marriage". Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #38
You and I are in agreement R.Quinn Sep 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #43
Government not in marriages? JonLP24 Nov 2014 #53
I'm curious as to how you rationalize Dr. Xavier Sep 2014 #8
I think I was overzealous R.Quinn Sep 2014 #11
How would you feel about eliminating all worker income tax and only taxing corporate income and weal grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #28
Interesting proposition. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #29
Tax collection becomes infinitely less expensive. Resources are freed up to find grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #33
I'd have to think that one through before giving an answer. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #42
Cool. It's my own idea, one which generally finds little support, lol! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #45
How much liberty would you afford corporations? rug Sep 2014 #37
Ah, corporations. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #40
Def agree on 1&2, 3 I think would lead to needless death and a lot of externalized costs. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #46
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I thought I might be Libertarian Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #55
Thanks for your thoughtful post R.Quinn Nov 2014 #56
Thanks for your thoughts Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #57
Also would like to hear your thoughts on this: Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #58
My thoughts R.Quinn Nov 2014 #59
I respect your opinions Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #60
Big government? Bagsgroove Nov 2014 #61
I was once a libertarian Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #63
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