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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
48. Glad to reply ...
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 04:32 PM
Sep 2014

You've been led astray regarding the benefits of government regarding the rich and poor. Law enforcement spends much more time protecting businesses than private residences, as do fire departments. Sewer, water, roads and other public infrastructure are much more heavily used by businesses than individuals.

Here's some data (notice these are all sourced, not just my opinions) ...







Your link regarding minimum wage failed (404 error). Can you please re-post it?

Police don't need a warrant to tail someone. Tailing someone is how they gather the evidence to support getting a warrant. And what about the liberty of the black law enforcement officer who can't do his job if a business is allowed to discriminate against him? What about the liberty of the family that wants to buy food but can't because the business decides it's OK to discriminate against them? Seems like you're OK with individuals denying others their liberty in the name of liberty. Doesn't one's liberty end where another's begins?

Are you strongly anti-regulation, or stongly anti-corruption of regulators? If there was no corruption would you be less anti-regulation? If so, shouldn't ending the corruption be the goal? Some police are corrupted. Do you want to end law enforcement?

I agree that most of these issues are not window dressing to the rank-and-file libertarian. They are however, simply wedge issues for the anti-regulators who hold the power in the libertarian political landscape. Their goal is to let corporations profit without interference from government, polluting the environment, having unsafe working conditions, offerering sub-standard wages that leave workers reliant on food stamps and Medicaid. IMHO, working full time should pay enough to lift workers out of poverty. If your business can't cover the costs keeping the environment clean, providing safe working conditions and non-poverty wages, then it's not a viable business. The modern libertarian politician disagrees.


On edit: Just read your post #40. Agree on # 1 and 2, but not on 3. Externalizing costs issue as already explained in another reply.

So what makes you think you're a libertarian? Scuba Sep 2014 #1
I'm glad you asked R.Quinn Sep 2014 #2
A flat tax would be a terrible thing for middle and lower income workers - very regressive ... Scuba Sep 2014 #3
Hmm... R.Quinn Sep 2014 #4
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'll respond in detail ... Scuba Sep 2014 #5
Yes, the flat tax would apply to capital gains as well. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #6
Let's say a flat tax of 17% would cover all the expenses, and 2% more would be needed to Cal33 Dec 2014 #68
My thoughts .... Scuba Sep 2014 #7
Thanks for the in-depth reply R.Quinn Sep 2014 #12
OK, I looked at your responses .... Scuba Sep 2014 #34
Some more responses for you R.Quinn Sep 2014 #41
Thanks for you response. My thoughts ... Scuba Sep 2014 #44
More responses comin' at ya R.Quinn Sep 2014 #47
Glad to reply ... Scuba Sep 2014 #48
Back again R.Quinn Sep 2014 #49
Thanks for your reply .... Scuba Sep 2014 #50
Interesting. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #51
I love your reply Scuba Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #62
You're welcome to use it Kevin. Sadly the libertarian who prompted the discussion ... Scuba Dec 2014 #64
Have you ever read the marriage statutes in a state? I have and they are about who owns what, uppityperson Sep 2014 #9
You and I are asking the same question! R.Quinn Sep 2014 #10
Thank you for clarifying. Who are you supporting for the next Presidential election? I am curious. uppityperson Sep 2014 #13
I am not 100% decided yet... R.Quinn Sep 2014 #14
DU is split on Ms. Clinton and I do not know who for the primary. uppityperson Sep 2014 #15
Question as to your views on marriage NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #16
Good question R.Quinn Sep 2014 #17
It is extremely relevant to the discussion because of this. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #18
Let me state my position again. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #20
Because your line in a previous post, quoted below, is a troubling position to take, in my view. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #21
I see. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #23
Do that one man one woman have to be of breeding potential to be recognized as a real marriage? uppityperson Sep 2014 #25
In your scenario, R.Quinn Sep 2014 #27
I am asking your opinion since this is a discussion forum and we are discussing this. uppityperson Sep 2014 #31
To answer R.Quinn Sep 2014 #36
You say' "marriage" is between a man and a woman', yet partnerships should not be viewed uppityperson Sep 2014 #19
This really comes down to semantics. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #22
If you were to congratulate a couple on their marriage, what would you say to each? uppityperson Sep 2014 #24
I don't believe it's "separate but equal" R.Quinn Sep 2014 #26
You forgot to answer any of my questions. Let me ask again and add 1 more uppityperson Sep 2014 #30
Sorry, I did forget to answer your questions. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #32
Talking about our personal beliefs is a way to get to know one another. Thank you for answering. uppityperson Sep 2014 #35
But you recognize that both the civic and the religious institution are called "Marriage". Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #38
You and I are in agreement R.Quinn Sep 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #43
Government not in marriages? JonLP24 Nov 2014 #53
I'm curious as to how you rationalize Dr. Xavier Sep 2014 #8
I think I was overzealous R.Quinn Sep 2014 #11
How would you feel about eliminating all worker income tax and only taxing corporate income and weal grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #28
Interesting proposition. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #29
Tax collection becomes infinitely less expensive. Resources are freed up to find grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #33
I'd have to think that one through before giving an answer. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #42
Cool. It's my own idea, one which generally finds little support, lol! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #45
How much liberty would you afford corporations? rug Sep 2014 #37
Ah, corporations. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #40
Def agree on 1&2, 3 I think would lead to needless death and a lot of externalized costs. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #52
Hi TshaiRedhair Nov 2014 #54
I thought I might be Libertarian Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #55
Thanks for your thoughtful post R.Quinn Nov 2014 #56
Thanks for your thoughts Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #57
Also would like to hear your thoughts on this: Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #58
My thoughts R.Quinn Nov 2014 #59
I respect your opinions Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #60
Big government? Bagsgroove Nov 2014 #61
I was once a libertarian Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #63
Welcome to DU! cyberswede Dec 2014 #65
welcome to DU... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2014 #66
Hello. bigwillq Dec 2014 #67
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