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R.Quinn

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49. Back again
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 12:52 PM
Sep 2014

I've been doing some digging over the last few days after reading your most recent reply, especially in regards to regulation and tax expenditures.

Let's clarify what "tax expenditures" means in the context of your first figure (titled "Wealthy Households...&quot . Tax expenditures, as defined by the CBPP (which is where the first figure comes from), are subsidies delivered through the tax code as deductions, exclusions, and other tax preferences (i.e. "tax breaks&quot . This is different from "tax spending", which is how services, programs, and infrastructure get funded (e.g. cops, sewer, etc.). A flat tax would eliminate these very same breaks that disproportionately favor the rich. Furthermore, federal money doesn't generally fund police, fire, sewer, water, roads, schools, etc. That stuff comes from state and local tax spending. Therefore, we should be looking at state and local tax data, and I still haven't found hard data showing that state and local tax spending favors the rich. Lastly, keep in mind that although a flat tax would tax everyone at the same rate regardless of income, the rich would still by far pay the most taxes relative to lower earners.

Sorry about the minimum wage link not working. Here it is:


This short 8-minute video sums up my minimum wage views rather nicely.

You're right, police don't need a warrant to tail someone. But they also don't have the right to trespass on private property either. Neither does a family have the "right" to enter someone's private business for any reason, whether to buy food or otherwise (it's a privilege granted by the property owner). No liberty is being denied because these aren't guaranteed rights in the first place. They're terrible situations, yes, but that does not mean that liberty has been denied or rights have been violated; you aren't guaranteed the right to not be discriminated against. To force a business owner to serve someone on their own private property is not only unconstitutional but also an act of aggression and therefore a violation of the non-aggression principle, which I strongly adhere to, as do most libertarians.

Even more than I am anti-regulation, I am indeed anti-corruption. This should come as no surprise. However, problems arise when the only one responsible for the regulations (the government) has no accountability, the inevitable result of which is mass corruption. Let's be clear here. The government does not regulate things, such as the environment, because it is moral to do so; they do it because of monetary kickbacks. That, my friend, is a conflict of interest. Seeing a bureaucracy such as the FDA get in bed with big pharmaceutical companies should not surprise you. I want a clean environment and safe food as much as the next guy, but I would never trust the government to see that end met because of the sovereign immunity they have. To take manage our national parks, for example, I would much sooner trust any non-government naturalist organization, such as the Audubon Society, before I would trust the hapless EPA.

Just because corporations would profit without interference from the government doesn't mean they wouldn't experience interference elsewhere. That is where non-government organizations, such as the aforementioned Audubon Society, come into play. These are the groups that provide actual accountability and transparency, not government bureaucracies like the EPA. You see, it's not that I'm anti-regulation, really; it's more just that I'm anti-government with respect to regulation. The big lie is that the government is the only one who knows how to properly impose regulations, when that simply isn't true at all.

Did you have more thoughts on the weapons ownership issue? Just curious.

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So what makes you think you're a libertarian? Scuba Sep 2014 #1
I'm glad you asked R.Quinn Sep 2014 #2
A flat tax would be a terrible thing for middle and lower income workers - very regressive ... Scuba Sep 2014 #3
Hmm... R.Quinn Sep 2014 #4
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'll respond in detail ... Scuba Sep 2014 #5
Yes, the flat tax would apply to capital gains as well. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #6
Let's say a flat tax of 17% would cover all the expenses, and 2% more would be needed to Cal33 Dec 2014 #68
My thoughts .... Scuba Sep 2014 #7
Thanks for the in-depth reply R.Quinn Sep 2014 #12
OK, I looked at your responses .... Scuba Sep 2014 #34
Some more responses for you R.Quinn Sep 2014 #41
Thanks for you response. My thoughts ... Scuba Sep 2014 #44
More responses comin' at ya R.Quinn Sep 2014 #47
Glad to reply ... Scuba Sep 2014 #48
Back again R.Quinn Sep 2014 #49
Thanks for your reply .... Scuba Sep 2014 #50
Interesting. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #51
I love your reply Scuba Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #62
You're welcome to use it Kevin. Sadly the libertarian who prompted the discussion ... Scuba Dec 2014 #64
Have you ever read the marriage statutes in a state? I have and they are about who owns what, uppityperson Sep 2014 #9
You and I are asking the same question! R.Quinn Sep 2014 #10
Thank you for clarifying. Who are you supporting for the next Presidential election? I am curious. uppityperson Sep 2014 #13
I am not 100% decided yet... R.Quinn Sep 2014 #14
DU is split on Ms. Clinton and I do not know who for the primary. uppityperson Sep 2014 #15
Question as to your views on marriage NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #16
Good question R.Quinn Sep 2014 #17
It is extremely relevant to the discussion because of this. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #18
Let me state my position again. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #20
Because your line in a previous post, quoted below, is a troubling position to take, in my view. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #21
I see. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #23
Do that one man one woman have to be of breeding potential to be recognized as a real marriage? uppityperson Sep 2014 #25
In your scenario, R.Quinn Sep 2014 #27
I am asking your opinion since this is a discussion forum and we are discussing this. uppityperson Sep 2014 #31
To answer R.Quinn Sep 2014 #36
You say' "marriage" is between a man and a woman', yet partnerships should not be viewed uppityperson Sep 2014 #19
This really comes down to semantics. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #22
If you were to congratulate a couple on their marriage, what would you say to each? uppityperson Sep 2014 #24
I don't believe it's "separate but equal" R.Quinn Sep 2014 #26
You forgot to answer any of my questions. Let me ask again and add 1 more uppityperson Sep 2014 #30
Sorry, I did forget to answer your questions. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #32
Talking about our personal beliefs is a way to get to know one another. Thank you for answering. uppityperson Sep 2014 #35
But you recognize that both the civic and the religious institution are called "Marriage". Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #38
You and I are in agreement R.Quinn Sep 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #43
Government not in marriages? JonLP24 Nov 2014 #53
I'm curious as to how you rationalize Dr. Xavier Sep 2014 #8
I think I was overzealous R.Quinn Sep 2014 #11
How would you feel about eliminating all worker income tax and only taxing corporate income and weal grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #28
Interesting proposition. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #29
Tax collection becomes infinitely less expensive. Resources are freed up to find grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #33
I'd have to think that one through before giving an answer. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #42
Cool. It's my own idea, one which generally finds little support, lol! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #45
How much liberty would you afford corporations? rug Sep 2014 #37
Ah, corporations. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #40
Def agree on 1&2, 3 I think would lead to needless death and a lot of externalized costs. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #46
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Hi TshaiRedhair Nov 2014 #54
I thought I might be Libertarian Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #55
Thanks for your thoughtful post R.Quinn Nov 2014 #56
Thanks for your thoughts Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #57
Also would like to hear your thoughts on this: Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #58
My thoughts R.Quinn Nov 2014 #59
I respect your opinions Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #60
Big government? Bagsgroove Nov 2014 #61
I was once a libertarian Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #63
Welcome to DU! cyberswede Dec 2014 #65
welcome to DU... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2014 #66
Hello. bigwillq Dec 2014 #67
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