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R.Quinn

(122 posts)
51. Interesting.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:50 PM
Sep 2014

Cut to the chase indeed! I would love to take your word as gospel, but I won't believe that "100% of all military spending is to protect and advance the interests of the wealthy" just because you say so. That sounds like an emotional argument, not an empirical one. How about instead of taxing the rich more to fund our wars, we END the wars instead? Raising taxes on the wealthy temporarily treats a symptom; ending the wars and scaling back our military cures the disease.

I don't pretend to suggest that corporations can't be corrupt. The difference between corporations and the government, however, is that the government is funded by taxpayers and does not hold itself accountable to taxpayers whatsoever. Corporations are beholden to their shareholders, their employees, and their consumers. When the tide of public opinion turns against them, say, in regards to an environmental issue, change happens much more quickly and effectively than a mere government regulation could ever accomplish (e.g. BP oil spill). I agree that the government's job is to protect the citizens. The problem is, that's not what the government does. I could cite many of the most egregious examples imaginable of government corruption, but I am sure you can find most of them yourself with a quick Google search, so I will leave you with these two recent tasty tidbits to whet your appetite:

EPA corruption: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/377760/if-you-still-need-proof-epa-rogue-agency-last-week-provided-plenty-iain-murray
FDA corruption: http://www.naturalnews.com/042562_total_corruption_drug_companies_fda_advisory_panels.html

The EPA doesn't care about protecting the environment. The FDA doesn't care about safe food and drugs. I don't even need to get into how incompetent the IRS is. The government doesn't really care about you or me; it only cares about itself and advancing its own interests (i.e. money). It's a business run just like the corporations, except that it has unlimited authority over us without any transparency. You say we can "clean it up" via elections. Tell me, now who's being naive? How has electing politicians to fix the government been working out for us? Don't you see that our politicians are funded by the very corporations they claim to regulate? The government is in it for the money and the power, not for you and me, and that is what has been demonstrated time and time again. "Regulations" from the government's politicians only serve to repay and further empower these same corporations by killing off small-business competition. Don't ever trust the government; trust yourself.

I would like to genuinely thank you for taking the time to watch the video. The purpose of the video, however, was not to provide evidence of job loss; it was to show you that minimum wage laws greatly damage a person's freedom to make choices for themselves. You carry on as if all business owners would suddenly only pay their workers $1 an hour without a minimum wage "safety net". I don't buy it, because that's not what was happening before minimum wage was instituted. Back then, if you had education and/or skills, you got paid accordingly. It's that simple. Pay people according to their ability. You shouldn't get to tell me what I can or can't pay my workers, nor should you be able to determine what I can or can't get paid for my work. I certainly don't need the government to hold a gun to my head in order to determine what a fair wage is. Do you?

So what makes you think you're a libertarian? Scuba Sep 2014 #1
I'm glad you asked R.Quinn Sep 2014 #2
A flat tax would be a terrible thing for middle and lower income workers - very regressive ... Scuba Sep 2014 #3
Hmm... R.Quinn Sep 2014 #4
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'll respond in detail ... Scuba Sep 2014 #5
Yes, the flat tax would apply to capital gains as well. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #6
Let's say a flat tax of 17% would cover all the expenses, and 2% more would be needed to Cal33 Dec 2014 #68
My thoughts .... Scuba Sep 2014 #7
Thanks for the in-depth reply R.Quinn Sep 2014 #12
OK, I looked at your responses .... Scuba Sep 2014 #34
Some more responses for you R.Quinn Sep 2014 #41
Thanks for you response. My thoughts ... Scuba Sep 2014 #44
More responses comin' at ya R.Quinn Sep 2014 #47
Glad to reply ... Scuba Sep 2014 #48
Back again R.Quinn Sep 2014 #49
Thanks for your reply .... Scuba Sep 2014 #50
Interesting. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #51
I love your reply Scuba Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #62
You're welcome to use it Kevin. Sadly the libertarian who prompted the discussion ... Scuba Dec 2014 #64
Have you ever read the marriage statutes in a state? I have and they are about who owns what, uppityperson Sep 2014 #9
You and I are asking the same question! R.Quinn Sep 2014 #10
Thank you for clarifying. Who are you supporting for the next Presidential election? I am curious. uppityperson Sep 2014 #13
I am not 100% decided yet... R.Quinn Sep 2014 #14
DU is split on Ms. Clinton and I do not know who for the primary. uppityperson Sep 2014 #15
Question as to your views on marriage NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #16
Good question R.Quinn Sep 2014 #17
It is extremely relevant to the discussion because of this. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #18
Let me state my position again. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #20
Because your line in a previous post, quoted below, is a troubling position to take, in my view. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #21
I see. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #23
Do that one man one woman have to be of breeding potential to be recognized as a real marriage? uppityperson Sep 2014 #25
In your scenario, R.Quinn Sep 2014 #27
I am asking your opinion since this is a discussion forum and we are discussing this. uppityperson Sep 2014 #31
To answer R.Quinn Sep 2014 #36
You say' "marriage" is between a man and a woman', yet partnerships should not be viewed uppityperson Sep 2014 #19
This really comes down to semantics. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #22
If you were to congratulate a couple on their marriage, what would you say to each? uppityperson Sep 2014 #24
I don't believe it's "separate but equal" R.Quinn Sep 2014 #26
You forgot to answer any of my questions. Let me ask again and add 1 more uppityperson Sep 2014 #30
Sorry, I did forget to answer your questions. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #32
Talking about our personal beliefs is a way to get to know one another. Thank you for answering. uppityperson Sep 2014 #35
But you recognize that both the civic and the religious institution are called "Marriage". Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #38
You and I are in agreement R.Quinn Sep 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #43
Government not in marriages? JonLP24 Nov 2014 #53
I'm curious as to how you rationalize Dr. Xavier Sep 2014 #8
I think I was overzealous R.Quinn Sep 2014 #11
How would you feel about eliminating all worker income tax and only taxing corporate income and weal grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #28
Interesting proposition. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #29
Tax collection becomes infinitely less expensive. Resources are freed up to find grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #33
I'd have to think that one through before giving an answer. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #42
Cool. It's my own idea, one which generally finds little support, lol! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #45
How much liberty would you afford corporations? rug Sep 2014 #37
Ah, corporations. R.Quinn Sep 2014 #40
Def agree on 1&2, 3 I think would lead to needless death and a lot of externalized costs. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #46
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Hi TshaiRedhair Nov 2014 #54
I thought I might be Libertarian Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #55
Thanks for your thoughtful post R.Quinn Nov 2014 #56
Thanks for your thoughts Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #57
Also would like to hear your thoughts on this: Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #58
My thoughts R.Quinn Nov 2014 #59
I respect your opinions Ravenna44 Nov 2014 #60
Big government? Bagsgroove Nov 2014 #61
I was once a libertarian Kevin from WI Dec 2014 #63
Welcome to DU! cyberswede Dec 2014 #65
welcome to DU... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2014 #66
Hello. bigwillq Dec 2014 #67
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