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jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
36. my logic is fine
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 09:21 AM
Jun 2013

gsc: Your logic is in error. A law that is passed for one reason can have unintended results. It is possible that the hollow gun ownership requirement may, or may not, have also caused, a drop in crime, even though the intention was as a publicity stunt.

How convenient. So gun gurus can give credit to guns when crime rates drop, then contend the law was not intended to improve anything, if crime doesn't drop. How convenient.

It is impossible to prove that the law had any effect, one way or another, on crime. I will not get sucked into that discussion.

You just called gun guru kopel (amongst others) a liar. He can't give credit to guns if it's impossible to tell, right? thank you.

Gun rights activist Kopel has claimed that there is evidence that this gun law has reduced the incident rate of home burglaries citing that in the first year, home burglaries dropped from 65* before the ordinance, down to 26 in 1983, and to 11 in 1984.
Another report observed a noticeable reduction in burglary from 1981, the year before the ordinance was passed, to 1999. A 2001 media report stated that Kennesaw's crime rates continued to decline and were well below the national average, making citizens feel safer and more secure. Later research claims that there is no evidence that reduced the rate of home burglaries , even though the overall crime rate had decreased by more than 50% between 1982 and 2005


* It's alleged (& likely true, see previous post) that this 65 (other source says 55) burglary figure was inflated by the town's mayor, an avid supporter of the gun law, to transmogrify comparison 'before-after' figures.

I'm pro 2nd ammend...but this is stupid. nt clarice May 2013 #1
Millions of stupid gun nuts/cultists out there, and that is the problem. Hoyt May 2013 #3
Wow, that's a VERY broad brush you are painting with. nt clarice May 2013 #4
Extensive experience, mostly with right wing bigoted gunners. Hoyt May 2013 #9
No! I said the law was stupid. I just don't like stereotypes. nt clarice May 2013 #10
If it fits. . . . . . . Go to a gun show or store, and see what you think. Hoyt May 2013 #11
www.theliberalgunclub.com clarice May 2013 #12
Yeah right. Go to a gun show, take some photos. Hoyt May 2013 #13
I don't judge people by their appearance.nt clarice May 2013 #14
Does not surprise me. I guess you think these militia men are Democrats? Hoyt May 2013 #15
I have no idea what their political affiliation is. And I don't presume to know.nt clarice May 2013 #16
I'd be willing to bet you DO know what their political affiliation is. And you know you do. Squinch May 2013 #18
Um...ok.....next? nt clarice May 2013 #26
stinking up my thread on Oklahoma tordadoes and climate change CreekDog May 2013 #27
Um...ok.....next? nt clarice May 2013 #28
That's typical of that poster clarice. rl6214 May 2013 #21
Thanks for the welcome.... clarice May 2013 #25
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Bizarre. Laelth May 2013 #2
That's Nucla CO Autumn May 2013 #5
I wish they would pass that in my town. bluedigger May 2013 #7
I believe that it the town where they hold a annual prairie dog shoot. El Supremo May 2013 #6
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Looks like the RW version of government tryanny by forcing one to support the gun industry. freshwest May 2013 #8
you MUST, unless you don't want to jimmy the one May 2013 #17
Bunch of idiots being idiotic. Squinch May 2013 #19
I think that's as ridiculous as passing an ordinance banning all guns. rl6214 May 2013 #20
Kennesaw, GA, did that in 1982. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #29
publicity stunt? jimmy the one May 2013 #30
Others can claim what they want. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #31
MG v Kennesaw stats jimmy the one May 2013 #32
Your logic is in error. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #34
my logic is fine jimmy the one Jun 2013 #36
I am under no obligation to support Kopel or anybody else. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #39
kennesaw's mayor lowballed, er, underreported jimmy the one May 2013 #33
While I believe everyone should have the means to protect their family, ileus May 2013 #35
What exactly do you mean by "personal protection devices"? Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #37
Dan Baum in "Gun Guys" makes the same point. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #38
Thank you! Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #40
You have given me an idea for a thread. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #41
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