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cbayer

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Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:13 PM Mar 2013

Frans de Waal's Bottom-Up Morality: We're Not Good Because Of God [View all]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/03/21/174830095/frans-de-waals-bottom-up-morality-were-not-good-because-of-god

by BARBARA J. KING
March 21, 201310:03 AM



Bonobos at the Lola ya Bonobo sanctuary near Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo in 2006.
Issouf Sanogo/AFP/Getty Images

In a book coming out next week called The Bonobo and the Atheist, primatologist Frans de Waal argues that morality is built into our species. Rather than coming to us top-down from God, or any other external source, morality for de Waal springs bottom-up from our emotions and our day-to-day social interactions, which themselves evolved from foundations in animal societies.

For 30 years, de Waal has authored books about apes and monkey that open our eyes to the bottom-up origins of our human behaviors, ranging from politics to empathy. In this, his 10th volume, he extends that perspective by writing, "It wasn't God who introduced us to morality; rather, it was the other way around. God was put into place to help us live the way we felt we ought to."


"The way we felt we ought to" has a long evolutionary history, so that de Waal's thesis depends crucially on numerous and convincing examples from our closest living relatives.

Azalea, a trisomic rhesus macaque (trisomic = born with three copies of a certain chromosome), had abnormal motor and social skills, in ways somewhat akin to humans with Down syndrome. Instead of punishing her "incomprehensible blunders," such as threatening the alpha male, the other macaques were accepting and forgiving of her until Azalea's death at age three. Female chimpanzees may confront and shut down an overly aggressive male, sometimes even pulling two adversaries close together for reconciliation, or prying rocks from an aroused males' hands.


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Ronald Dworkin's last book - to be published posthumously - partially agrees with de Waal's views. Jim__ Mar 2013 #1
I have read a number of interesting reviews of this book cbayer Mar 2013 #2
Probably it in a nutshell... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #19
I agree with you, particularly your last line. cbayer Mar 2013 #20
And that's from the duality of our own nature, not... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #22
I've always been intrigued with the concept that - God didn't create humans, humans created god. pinto Mar 2013 #3
I have often thought that as well. cbayer Mar 2013 #4
In Plato's Euthyphro, Socrates asked the question Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #5
Good question without an answer, I would think cbayer Mar 2013 #6
I mainly said it to show that the question has been asked for a very long time Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #7
I hear you. This is some interesting research, though. cbayer Mar 2013 #8
The gods of Socrates' Greece skepticscott Mar 2013 #14
I think we can all agree that H. sap, as welll as other species, arrive in the world okasha Mar 2013 #9
I heard a great story on Science Friday today about babies. cbayer Mar 2013 #10
I don't remember the name of the study offhand,, but there was a seminal experiment okasha Mar 2013 #11
It's was Milgram's Obedience experiments. cbayer Mar 2013 #12
Thanks. okasha Mar 2013 #13
Got the book marions ghost Mar 2013 #15
You might also like Chimpanzee politics. cbayer Mar 2013 #16
Just noted that this is the same author - completely missed that. cbayer Mar 2013 #17
Thanks marions ghost Mar 2013 #18
Lol! Wait until someone tells her about the mold slime! cbayer Mar 2013 #21
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