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okasha

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9. I think we can all agree that H. sap, as welll as other species, arrive in the world
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:22 PM
Mar 2013

with a certain potential for "good behavior" built in. It follows, unfortunately, that we also carry the genes for rather appalling "bad behavior." Bonobos may give us the warm fuzzies, but it's the Pan troglodytes' nasty habits of territorial war, murder and infanticide that we've inherited right alongside empathy. Not only is parenting an activity that does not fade unnoticed into the background, much of it consists in deterring an infant human from scaled-down versions of chimp mayhem. No, Johnny, don't hit little Frank with the alphabet blocks. No, Mary, that's Janie's tricycle; give it back to her. No, don't lie to me; I saw you break the window, so don't try to blame it on your brother. Etc., etc.. It's fine to say we've inherited a measure of morality in the process of evolution. What isn't fine (and de Waal apparently, to his credit does not do this) is to blame all of human immorality on social constructs--politics, religion, capitalism, socialism, whatever "ism" one doesn't happen to subscribe to.

Ronald Dworkin's last book - to be published posthumously - partially agrees with de Waal's views. Jim__ Mar 2013 #1
I have read a number of interesting reviews of this book cbayer Mar 2013 #2
Probably it in a nutshell... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #19
I agree with you, particularly your last line. cbayer Mar 2013 #20
And that's from the duality of our own nature, not... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #22
I've always been intrigued with the concept that - God didn't create humans, humans created god. pinto Mar 2013 #3
I have often thought that as well. cbayer Mar 2013 #4
In Plato's Euthyphro, Socrates asked the question Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #5
Good question without an answer, I would think cbayer Mar 2013 #6
I mainly said it to show that the question has been asked for a very long time Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #7
I hear you. This is some interesting research, though. cbayer Mar 2013 #8
The gods of Socrates' Greece skepticscott Mar 2013 #14
I think we can all agree that H. sap, as welll as other species, arrive in the world okasha Mar 2013 #9
I heard a great story on Science Friday today about babies. cbayer Mar 2013 #10
I don't remember the name of the study offhand,, but there was a seminal experiment okasha Mar 2013 #11
It's was Milgram's Obedience experiments. cbayer Mar 2013 #12
Thanks. okasha Mar 2013 #13
Got the book marions ghost Mar 2013 #15
You might also like Chimpanzee politics. cbayer Mar 2013 #16
Just noted that this is the same author - completely missed that. cbayer Mar 2013 #17
Thanks marions ghost Mar 2013 #18
Lol! Wait until someone tells her about the mold slime! cbayer Mar 2013 #21
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