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mooseprime

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15. for me, u.s. elections haven't passed the sniff test since 2000
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

and this time around is no different. demonstrated porous electronic voting systems and well-documented and rampant republican voter suppression efforts recur unabated year after year. this time, everywhere both sanders and clinton appear in public nationwide, sanders' turnout is on an order of magnitude higher but she wins by 0.02? all those people standing for hours in the winter weather just to hear sanders speak decided to stay home on the night it really matters? i think the only way we can overcome this is with the biggest gotv effort the country has ever seen, and even that may not be enough. we've heard quite enough from coincidence theorists who reassure us everything is copacetic every time...invariably accompanied by some muddled story and no written accountability.

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Every lead needs to be above Margin of Error Jackilope Feb 2016 #1
Wish I could..... daleanime Feb 2016 #2
Anyone not worried about fraud hasn't been paying attention... polichick Feb 2016 #3
I think it would be naive to completely rule it out, even so ... Phlem Feb 2016 #4
New Hampshire runs clean elections sarge43 Feb 2016 #5
thank you. its good to hear from people right there. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #9
I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just unlikely. n/t sarge43 Feb 2016 #12
Diebold scanners plus other problems in NH chknltl Feb 2016 #80
I am. Happened against Obama in NH Jarqui Feb 2016 #6
i had heard that some funny stuff happened in 08 restorefreedom Feb 2016 #8
This is worthy of an OP, imho...Notice Hillary 'gaining in NH, with Bernie 'losing' in the lead-up.. AzDar Feb 2016 #52
Yes, Obama was +8, Hillary won by 2; 10 point swing Jarqui Feb 2016 #57
EXTREMELY worried. cui bono Feb 2016 #7
if the wh is concerned enough to get involved, i don't even want to think restorefreedom Feb 2016 #11
Exactly right MissDeeds Feb 2016 #27
it would not surprise me. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #28
All interesting possibilities MissDeeds Feb 2016 #37
i think he has steel resolve. and hopefully good genes. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #44
Funny that the networks all decided at the same time that exit polling was too expensive. Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #10
exactly. i hope bernie has his teams ready to do that. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #13
I think Jeff Weaver is terrific MissDeeds Feb 2016 #32
i just hope it doesn't come to lawsuits restorefreedom Feb 2016 #34
I think it has gone too far even for that, It's time to involve the UN election specialists Dragonfli Feb 2016 #24
they would fight every effort to get monitors. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #30
Of course they would, it is precisely how corrupt election systems work, they resist being caught. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #38
yes, it proves the point. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #46
Yooge plus one! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #47
That's the playbook. We've all seen it before. FourScore Feb 2016 #14
so glad anonymous endorsed bernie restorefreedom Feb 2016 #22
for me, u.s. elections haven't passed the sniff test since 2000 mooseprime Feb 2016 #15
yup. 2000 ripped off the mask restorefreedom Feb 2016 #21
Same here NowSam Feb 2016 #23
+100%! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #45
You're not crazy. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #16
yes, and it just stayed there restorefreedom Feb 2016 #20
It was like torture. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #29
i should have known something was up restorefreedom Feb 2016 #31
Yep, just in the nick of time. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #36
almost too obvious. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #42
Given what we've seen with the DNC and Iowa Dem party, Jarqui Feb 2016 #17
Why worry? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #18
I feel the same way you do. The Democratic Party has proven that it CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #19
FWIW sarge43 Feb 2016 #25
seems like nh is pretty straight up with its voting restorefreedom Feb 2016 #26
Good point about the voting demographics. It likely could happen that way sarge43 Feb 2016 #40
I'm aware of the possibility, but I don't think so. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #33
thank goodness there are way more primary states restorefreedom Feb 2016 #35
Agreed. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #39
i do worry about nevada restorefreedom Feb 2016 #48
I view Nevada like this: HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #50
very true. good odds for bernie though. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #51
You're not crazy! It was a calculated scheme. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #41
Yes, I am worried. DamnYankeeInHouston Feb 2016 #43
K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #49
Republicans TeddyR Feb 2016 #53
i dont have proof that it will occur, i have a concern restorefreedom Feb 2016 #66
I'm not that worried Mufaddal Feb 2016 #54
It will help if we don't "get over" Iowa. left lowrider Feb 2016 #55
Fraud how? TeddyR Feb 2016 #56
i explained my thought process in the op restorefreedom Feb 2016 #67
So yeah TeddyR Feb 2016 #73
when they account for the iowa votes restorefreedom Feb 2016 #75
That's why the Corrupt Corporate Owned MSM has the polls tighter...to give her a chance to steal it. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #58
you're not joanbarnes Feb 2016 #59
I have worried about fraud every election since 2000. jwirr Feb 2016 #60
When it's this close... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #61
This is the Democratic Party doing the counting.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #62
You bet I'm worried. Big. 840high Feb 2016 #63
Not crazy. Paka Feb 2016 #64
They will not go quietly. Or legally. Just ask JFK. nt silvershadow Feb 2016 #65
Really, really, really worried Nite Owl Feb 2016 #68
i reread the bernstein interview on cnn and just about got sick restorefreedom Feb 2016 #69
If they do something like Nite Owl Feb 2016 #70
i am trying to remind myself that no one is more invested restorefreedom Feb 2016 #71
I am grateful for Bernie Nite Owl Feb 2016 #72
yup. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #74
You are not crazy but NH is not the place to worry over much about it. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #76
i hope we got the worst state out of the way first restorefreedom Feb 2016 #77
I'm worried about fraud everywhere eridani Feb 2016 #78
yup. it is unfortunate that the first state restorefreedom Feb 2016 #79
of course grasswire Feb 2016 #81
Yes, Diebold is involved in NH chknltl Feb 2016 #82
thats what i suggested a while back restorefreedom Feb 2016 #83
I read that earlier suggestion here at DU, it's a good idea. chknltl Feb 2016 #85
The moment votes go into black boxes, is the end. delrem Feb 2016 #84
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