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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
12. It's untrue because we can count to 270.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jun 2015

To win the presidency, you need 270 electoral votes. Your nationwide popularity is irrelevant for whether or not you are sworn in.

We don't need a candidate that can try to make Texas competitive in 2016. Because we won't win Texas in 2016, just like the Republican won't win NY or CA in 2016. And we don't need to win Texas in 2016.

Yes, Clinton polls higher than the Republican field. But we don't have a national popular vote. She gets just as many electoral votes from CA with a 90-10 win as a 51-49 win, but that 90-10 scenario looks great in national polling.

Instead, the race to 270 is critical, and she's much more of a risk there.

Right now, the Democratic nominee has 257 electoral votes locked up. They're the electoral votes for the "blue" states. The only way those votes go to a Republican is an incompetent Democratic campaign.

To win, the Democratic nominee needs 1 large "purple" state, or 2 small "purple" states. Get VA and you win. Get CO and IA and you win. Each of those are pretty easy for the Democratic nominee - VA needs to overwhelm rural turnout with DC suburb turnout, and both CO and IA respond well to populism.

The Republican candidate starts with 149 electoral votes locked up - the "red" states. Lower population, so fewer electoral votes. To reach 270, the Republican candidate needs all 10 "purple" states, and needs to turn one blue state. That is going to be very, very hard. It's one of the main reasons the Republican field is such a clown car - the people who can count all the way to 270 are staying out of the race.

There's only one glimmer of hope for the Republicans: Turnout. If Democrats stay home and Republicans turn out, they can win.

The centrism that has guided Clinton's career has been shown to hurt turnout in 2014, 2010, 2004, 2002 and 2000. It relies on voting against the Republican instead of voting for the Democrat. "Crazy liberal ideas" won in 2008 and 2006 via higher Democratic turnout - Democrats gave candidates to vote for, instead of "vote against the Republican".

If Clinton can't pull off her sudden conversion to populism, then she may cripple Democratic turnout. At the same time, Republicans have spent the last 30 years convincing their base that the Clintons are Satan incarnate. Her presence on the ballot would be a huge boost to Republican turnout. Risking losses in "rural/urban divide" states that make up all of the "purple" states and some of the "blue" states.

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Hillary is using surrogates to attack Bernie.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #1
I've seen a few newbies show up that read like a bot. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #31
Bernie can win and we will show up an any and all rallies within our travelling distance. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #2
That's our plan here too, just to show up at places where people gather and Cleita Jun 2015 #3
I made a Bernie button I am going to start wearing it everywhere. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #4
They're available at his site for $5... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #32
I like my homemade. I can wear that and make a 5 dollar donation w/out getting a button back. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #33
Repub neighbor is interested in Bernie. Wilms Jun 2015 #5
Many Republicans are. Maybe it's because he was an Independent for so long, Cleita Jun 2015 #6
In my neighbors case, he digs the honesty. Wilms Jun 2015 #8
+1 cui bono Jun 2015 #11
Bernie gives people someone to Vote FOR, which is an incentive and distinct advantage. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #7
And the ditch is getting deeper too. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #15
Very deep, as in Grand Canyon deep. Scary. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #20
I think we all know how much the right hates Secretary Clinton leftupnorth Jun 2015 #9
Yes, Republicans may also even vote for Bernie from the scuttlebutt I'm getting even on this Cleita Jun 2015 #18
Several neighbors... SoapBox Jun 2015 #25
Bernie can win. Which is not to say he will win, SheilaT Jun 2015 #10
+1 BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #14
It's untrue because we can count to 270. jeff47 Jun 2015 #12
Good reasoning on the electoral vote. I hope everyone reads this as to why we have to turn out. Cleita Jun 2015 #16
This!!! A million times this!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^ BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #17
To be fair, I'm stealing a lot of analysis from that same source. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #19
It is a very logical and compelling argument BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #23
Very good post on the realities of our electoral challenge. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #29
Nothing has changed since 2008 TBF Jun 2015 #13
Right. Democrats (and Americans) voted for change 8 years ago... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Jun 2015 #22
Yes... SoapBox Jun 2015 #26
I'll say it again, if HRC goes to the general, voters stay home. rbnyc Jun 2015 #21
Obama was "Change we can believe in!", Bernie is "Change we can depend on!" n/t woodsprite Jun 2015 #24
^This^ SoapBox Jun 2015 #27
Bernie can win in the general election because Americans are fed up and broke and JDPriestly Jun 2015 #28
Two reasons swilton Jun 2015 #30
You are right, Cleita! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #34
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