Bernie Sanders

eridani

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31. All states could (and should) do hand count auditing.

Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:01 AM

Jun 2015

King County, WA (second largest in the country after LA county) does extensive hand count auditing of PAPER ballots which, though scanned, are the legal ballots of record. The entire state did a hand count audit of the Gregoire governor contest in 2004, which she won by a couple of hundred votes. The had counts correlated with the scanner counts except for being slightly higher. That is what you would expect, given that scanner errors tend to be undercounts for the same reason that your printer occasionally picks up a couple of pieces of paper.

Touch screen voting should never be allowed, period. Though touch screens could be interfaces for producing PAPER ballots to be counted with all the other paper ballots.

With a secret ballot, there is no correlation between race, sex or anything else. The true corporate advocates are those promoting touch screen voting.

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Voting, a suggestion to Bernie [View all] aspirant Jun 2015 OP

Brilliant. Workers should just share their votes for Sanders with their bosses eridani Jun 2015 #1

Brillant aspirant Jun 2015 #2

All states could (and should) do hand count auditing. eridani Jun 2015 #31

It's wonderful Washington state does hand counts, aspirant Jun 2015 #35

Touch screens as tabulators should be illegal, period. eridani Jun 2015 #39

Eridani; aspirant Jun 2015 #41

There is no backup system that could be implemented in 50 states eridani Jun 2015 #42

Nope. hootinholler Jun 2015 #3

Okay aspirant Jun 2015 #5

Um where did I mention scanners? hootinholler Jun 2015 #6

Fourth, aspirant Jun 2015 #8

Hey you're the one with the magic wand hootinholler Jun 2015 #9

And your the one with the unpractical dreams aspirant Jun 2015 #11

Yeah eliminating teh secret ballot is so practical hootinholler Jun 2015 #20

Are you voting for Bernie and have eliminated the secret? aspirant Jun 2015 #22

WTF does that even mean? hootinholler Jun 2015 #23

"Seriously" aspirant Jun 2015 #24

How about we just DUMP the damn computers. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #4

In the meantime, aspirant Jun 2015 #7

What's wrong with it RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #10

By this logic all computers should be immediately banned from society aspirant Jun 2015 #13

No, not by this logic, by YOUR logic. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #25

So if we learn from our flaws, aspirant Jun 2015 #27

Here's the negative. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #28

So my Diebolt ATM machine is aspirant Jun 2015 #30

ATMS are not voting machines, period eridani Jun 2015 #32

What checks and balances can be utilized NOW aspirant Jun 2015 #36

Checks and balances are generally called audits eridani Jun 2015 #40

Those Diebold ATM machines can be hacked and ARE hacked. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #34

When we go to vote aspirant Jun 2015 #37

The backup ballot should be paper. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #43

Not to jump all over you but rock Jun 2015 #12

Is that why the TPP was secret? aspirant Jun 2015 #14

That, of course, should have been a public vote rock Jun 2015 #15

Does a democracy allow aspirant Jun 2015 #16

Yes rock Jun 2015 #17

So if private votes can be tabulated privately and/or publically aspirant Jun 2015 #18

No rock Jun 2015 #19

Not free to share our votes aspirant Jun 2015 #21

This is very true. n/t RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #26

Have you publicly stated you are voting for Bernie aspirant Jun 2015 #29

I have always stated publically, who I am voting for. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #33

Not sure this is the solution, but something has to be done. Stevepol Jun 2015 #38