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Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
13. I respectfully disagree
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

We need to compare apples to apples. Would you argue that a 1%er is right to say that wealth privilege doesn’t exist because he has a disability, a legitimate disadvantage in its own right? That opportunities to become wealthy are just as accessible to you as they are to him? Of course not, and his denial of wealth privilege doesn’t make it any less true.

While it is true money is part of white privilege, money is one (of many) indicators, it is not the primary determining factor. Things like access, representation, application of the law, unequal policing, unequal demands, and systemic support are much bigger factors. On balance, it goes something like this: white guys get arrested, black guys get shot. White women get rehab, black women get jail. Unemployed white women are "stay at home moms," unemployed black women are "lazy welfare queens." So on and so forth.

A rich white person has wealth privilege compared to a middle class white person just as a middle class white person has white privilege compared to a black person regardless of money or wealth.

The wealthy white person has privilege compared to both of them, because of that, it stands to reason that there be an alliance to gain political equality for black/poc people and middle class/poor whites. That alliance requires acceptance of white privilege. It is non-negotiable.

You can categorically reject the notion of white privilege, but you do it at the expense of your fight for income fairness. That’s how oppression works, the pain trickles down on everyone but does not distribute evenly. Equality will either include poc, or it won’t happen at all – because the system is set up to oppress black people. Thanks to neoliberalism, inequality has devolved to oppress more white people than ever before, so any solution must be inclusive. You can’t have one without the other. Not unless you restore the days of old and that’s not going to happen.

My initial response turned into a longer piece which I am still working on, I will post it soon as an OP. I'll let you know when I do, if you'd like.

Clarity and Understanding Meteor Man Apr 2016 #1
I hear you. Seriously though, I'd rather die trying than have not tried at all Rebkeh Apr 2016 #2
On fleek mama Meteor Man Apr 2016 #3
I am tired of hearing the word privileged. It's so overused and not accurate. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #4
I respectfully disagree Rebkeh Apr 2016 #13
I don't reject the concept of white privilege. It exists. But it is oft over-invoked and inaccurate Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #14
Some people are abusing it for political purposes, which is despicable Rebkeh Apr 2016 #15
I don't view whites as "one group" though with the same... Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #16
That's where context and degrees of privilege come in Rebkeh Apr 2016 #17
Another problem I have with "white privilege" as it is usually applied is that is it undisproveable. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #19
Why does it have to be disprovable? Why must it be a "fact" in a formal sense at all? Rebkeh Apr 2016 #21
"Stockholm Syndrome" is based on a flat out wrong hypothesis eridani Apr 2016 #5
I don't think that's true. I used that term soon after Rahm Emanuel's comments HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #7
Banning the use of the words Stockholm Syndrome would make the "discussion impossible" but Autumn Apr 2016 #8
I'm not sure you meant that to link to my reply, I never suggested banning words or people HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #9
I didn't say you did. I found your email exchange with the admins to be interesting Autumn Apr 2016 #10
Yes, using mentally disorders as adjectives is approved by the Admins HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #11
Do you remember Patty Herst? That was a perfect example I think and the Autumn Apr 2016 #12
You are talking about progressive activists, not typical voters eridani Apr 2016 #18
Nuanced and refreshingly thoughtful. Thank you! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #6
Thank you for this! ! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #20
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