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Bernie Sanders

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mopinko

(73,965 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 01:53 PM Jul 2015

some slime going around. [View all]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by TM99 (a host of the Bernie Sanders group).

a hillary supporter posted this on her fb page.
i wonder if folks have seen this. please debunk, and i will be happy to clobber her.

As far as Bernie's long held views, here's a passage from Ashley Smith writing for the socialistworker.org

"DESPITE HIS own claims, Sanders has not been an antiwar leader. Ever since he won election to the House, he has taken either equivocal positions on U.S. wars or outright supported them.
His hawkish positions--especially his decision to support Bill Clinton's 1999 Kosovo War--drove one of his key advisers, Jeremy Brecher, to resign from his staff. Brecher wrote in his resignation letter, "Is there a moral limit to the military violence you are willing to participate in or support?"

So outraged were peace activists over Sanders' support of the Kosovo War that they occupied his office in 1999. Sanders had them arrested.

Under the Bush regime, Sanders' militarism had only grown worse. While he called for alternative approaches to the war on Afghanistan, he failed to join the sole Democrat, Barbara Lee, to vote against Congress' resolution that gave George Bush a blank check to launch war on any country he deemed connected to the September 11 attacks.

Ever since, he has voted for appropriations bills to fund the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, despite their horrific toll on the occupied peoples as well as U.S. soldiers.

Sanders has been critical of the war on Iraq, but he has supported pro-war measures--such as a March 21, 2003, resolution stating, "Congress expresses the unequivocal support and appreciation of the nation to the President as Commander-in-Chief for his firm leadership and decisive action in the conduct of military operations in Iraq as part of the ongoing Global War on Terrorism."

He also opposes immediate withdrawal from Iraq, despite the fact that a majority of residents in his home city of Burlington voted for such a position in a town meeting resolution in February 2005.

The day after his election to the Senate, Sanders declared, "I don't think you can do a quote-unquote immediate withdrawal. I think the policy has got to be we will withdraw our troops as soon as possible, and by that, I mean that I believe we can have our troops out in the next year, and maybe a significant number of them before that. I don't think you can snap your fingers and just bring all the troops home tomorrow. I just don't think that's practical."

Even more shocking, Sanders scuttled any action on a wave of Bush impeachment resolutions that swept Vermont towns in 2006. Like House Majority Leader-to-be Nancy Pelosi, who had promised not to impeach Bush, Sanders argued that impeachment was impractical, and that activists should put energy into electing Democrats.

Outraged, Dan Dewalt, the organizer of the impeachment resolution campaign in Vermont, said, "We think we have quality politicians in Vermont. We're wrong. We have politics as usual in Vermont. Our so-called independent congressman, Bernie Sanders, can't get far enough away from impeachment."

Sanders voted for House Resolution 921, which gave full support to Israel's murderous war on Lebanon. He also voted for HR 4681 that imposed sanctions on the Palestinian Authority with the aim of removing the democratically elected Hamas government.

In response, longtime War Resisters League leader David McReynolds sent a public letter to Sanders, stating, "Because of your vote of support for the Israeli actions, I would hope any friends and contacts of mine would not send you funds, nor give you their votes."

Indeed, Sanders has consistently defended Israel through it worst crimes against Palestinians and Arabs. Unsurprisingly, some Sanders staffers have also worked with the American Israeli Political Action Committee (AIPAC)--including David Sirota, now a Democratic Party strategist, and Sanders' former communications director Joel Barkin.

Finally, in perhaps his worst betrayal yet, Sanders joined a host of liberal Democrats including Barbara Lee and John Conyers to vote for HR 282, the Iran Freedom Support Act--which bears a striking resemblance to the resolutions that set up the framework for the war on Iraq.

The act stipulates that the U.S. should impose sanctions on Iran to prevent it from developing weapons of mass destruction and distributing them to aid international terrorism. It also calls for the U.S. to support democratic change in the country, thereby establishing all necessary pretexts for a war on Iran. Democrat Dennis Kucinich voted against the act and denounced it as a "stepping stone to war."


eta link to original-http://socialistworker.org/2015/05/05/problem-bernie-sanders

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some slime going around. [View all] mopinko Jul 2015 OP
Delete this or you might get banned from posting in this group. L0oniX Jul 2015 #1
hey now. calm down. mopinko Jul 2015 #3
I've seen some of this before. Would also appreciate links and sources. leveymg Jul 2015 #2
IMO, this seems a sideways entre of criticism better placed in GD-P HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #4
i posted it here because mopinko Jul 2015 #6
There doesn't appear to be anything disrespectful. If it's factual, we should all know. leveymg Jul 2015 #7
If it had some back-up I'd say yes, as it is, imo it should be in GD-P HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #8
I agree ...this is not the place for this kind of op. L0oniX Jul 2015 #10
links added. mopinko Jul 2015 #11
Yes, and I appreciate that. HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #12
a link w some back up. mopinko Jul 2015 #5
Here's the excerpt in that 1999 Nation article. leveymg Jul 2015 #14
This has some info on Bernie's stances toward Israel on various issues over the years kath Jul 2015 #9
thank you. posted. mopinko Jul 2015 #15
Obviously, Ms. Smith writes... StandingInLeftField Jul 2015 #13
yeah, i was shocked. mopinko Jul 2015 #17
Here is a quote from another article azmom Jul 2015 #25
Socialist don't like that Bernie has voted with azmom Jul 2015 #16
like they have a lot of opportunities. mopinko Jul 2015 #18
Didn't you support Rahm? smokey nj Jul 2015 #20
yes. mopinko Jul 2015 #42
Rahm is DLC/DNC corporatist slime, & your suport of Rahm makes your concern post a little suspect peacebird Jul 2015 #51
rahm is my mayor. i dont support everything he does. mopinko Jul 2015 #53
No, I am calling Rahm a troll tho peacebird Jul 2015 #54
it's too bad he didnt have a quality challenger. mopinko Jul 2015 #55
There's an old inside joke that socialists leveymg Jul 2015 #22
Socialist want a real socialist in power. azmom Jul 2015 #23
thank you. mopinko Jul 2015 #49
Socialists have different views - just like dems TBF Jul 2015 #56
It certainly is. Team Bernie all the way to the White House. azmom Jul 2015 #57
Viable third parties just are not likely with the way we've built our system of elections. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #35
You don't see the ridiculous irony of a Hillary supporter using Socialistworker to bash Bernie? smokey nj Jul 2015 #19
did i say that? mopinko Jul 2015 #36
Where did I use the words concern trolling? smokey nj Jul 2015 #43
I have no idea if this is a reliable site, but it details some of Bernie's votes on war&peace issues kath Jul 2015 #21
We have just demonstrated that the Bernie Sanders group tolerates facts better than the others leveymg Jul 2015 #24
Bernie supporters are awesome! azmom Jul 2015 #28
and we know how to bounce! marym625 Jul 2015 #30
thank you. mopinko Jul 2015 #41
It's very difficult for the hosts to discuss anything because we're not given a host forum marym625 Jul 2015 #26
I'd ask that the post be given more time to find links and sources. leveymg Jul 2015 #31
Thanks for your input marym625 Jul 2015 #32
srsly? mopinko Jul 2015 #37
absolutely not! marym625 Jul 2015 #45
why else would you ask that? mopinko Jul 2015 #46
For the same reasons others have said they think it belongs in GDP marym625 Jul 2015 #50
As another host, TM99 Jul 2015 #58
Go for it marym625 Jul 2015 #59
I have seen this article (or others like it before) and more than likely it will come up swilton Jul 2015 #27
Thanks for this marym625 Jul 2015 #29
You're welcome! swilton Jul 2015 #40
thank you. mopinko Jul 2015 #38
Thank you so much for that. Paka Jul 2015 #44
Thanks for this post...I think you lay out what Bernie is about very succinctly.. KoKo Jul 2015 #52
I don't know why this comes across to me as poorly written satire, because it's mostly disingenous. Cleita Jul 2015 #33
lol tymorial Jul 2015 #34
Even if it was all true, I find the idea that I would switch support to someone known for, and proud djean111 Jul 2015 #39
This is a raft of Sh#t aintitfunny Jul 2015 #47
i agree with you. mopinko Jul 2015 #48
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