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Bernie Sanders

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KPN

(17,492 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:36 AM Jun 2016

So what is the alternative to holding my nose and voting Hillary? [View all]

Two years ago I attended a debate among candidates for my District's Congressional seat. A Republican, a pretty progressive Democrat, and a Green Party candidate. I was so impressed with the Green Party candidate that I approached him to ask him why he wasn't trying to work and run within the Democratic Party. He was about my age. He looked at me for a second (I suppose now that he was framing his response as opposed to offending me by saying something like "are you naive?&quot and said because the Party would never support him as a candidate for Congress. He then proceeded to explain how he'd been active as a precinct member for many years before finally realizing that the Party was moving right not left and was never going to change as long as money drove the system. He basically said what Bernie says: the system is corrupt -- and to be successful within the Party system, you have to be a "team player" and "play ball". He said it was obvious to him that the Democratic Party was in bed with corporations and money, controlled by what he called Republican lights, and was no longer committed to truly progressive principles. So he left and joined the Green Party.

This primary season has, as I said, been a real eye opener. The Party is clearly corrupt as is our government. They have been purchased and are controlled by "money". Bernie's campaign has done a wonderful job at making this abundantly clear to anyone who has been paying attention.

So you asked, what is the alternative? I ask: do you truly care about your country? I am convinced that holding my nose and voting simply enables the status quo. What is the status quo? Well, it's really not very good. Sure, we make progress on social issues, to a degree, but we continue to trend to the right on economic and electoral issues. The Democratic Party simply is not committed to making the kind of fundamental changes that we so desperately need today. "Slowing" the flow to the right is not fixing the problem; and I'm frankly not convinced that Hillary would even slow the flow to the right when it comes to key economic issues. (I won't even bring up the problems of imperialism here.)

The alternative for me is to support real change. I will either be voting for Jill Stein (Green Party) after doing some more research, or writing Bernie in this fall.

Am I concerned about Trump? Yes, but my adult children have given me broader perspective on that and the SCOTUS issue. Actually, they have convinced me by example that voting for Hillary is the wrong thing to do. You see, one of them, my second child is gay. Another, my daughter, the youngest is a female. They are quite adamant that "equal rights" will be meaningless in 20 years if we don't break down the corporate hold on America's governance to actually fix our most important problems now today: global warming, a divided world, and income inequality. So social issues that affect them personally in significant way are moot as they see it if we don't make the significant changes today. My third child, the oldest, is a bit more radical. He just says we gotta break the system to fix it; a Trump presidency would do that.

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I understand that some here will take exception to and tell me how short sighted and self-absorbed this is. But I see it as exactly the opposite. So please respect my views and opinions and I will respect yours.

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This is the Bernie Sanders group. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #1
I agree with you, I will do a write in. I can't vote for a conservative. Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #2
I'm writing in the only Liberal running. PatrynXX Jun 2016 #6
I don't know if it's a good idea to do a 'write-in'. Jennylynn Jun 2016 #15
Since when have they ever tossed it? PatrynXX Jun 2016 #61
Perhaps back in the day it would be counted. When eyes were on the ballot Jennylynn Jun 2016 #62
good post retrowire Jun 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #4
That is very true. That and he is pro Planned Parenthood PatrynXX Jun 2016 #7
Isn't it though? KPN Jun 2016 #9
if the machines are rigged Pharaoh Jun 2016 #23
exactly shanti Jun 2016 #40
I think it depends upon where you live Sherman A1 Jun 2016 #5
Good points. KPN Jun 2016 #8
I don't know what I'm going to do. sarge43 Jun 2016 #10
I don't think I will Sherman A1 Jun 2016 #11
Mainly burn out and deep disappointment sarge43 Jun 2016 #14
I like the quote Sherman A1 Jun 2016 #26
One of my favorites, too. I believe I found it in the same source. n/t sarge43 Jun 2016 #37
The problem is that the DNC tactics have left a very bad taste in the mouth Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #35
"team player" and "play ball" Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #12
I think your Green Party friend is correct. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #13
I will not throw my vote away by voting against someone. kpola12 Jun 2016 #16
True. That is basically what it is. KPN Jun 2016 #19
... Faux pas Jun 2016 #17
Seriously considering this. jhart3333 Jun 2016 #21
I've Faux pas Jun 2016 #22
This is my little wave good-bye. djean111 Jun 2016 #18
Good-bye djean. I will be joining you shortly I'm sure. KPN Jun 2016 #20
I'm a Californian and the AP stunt was the LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #24
Well, I think he now has an opportunity to take the movement outside the party. KPN Jun 2016 #27
Remember when it wast only Repubs that got their supporters to vote against their interests Skink Jun 2016 #28
i'm in cali too shanti Jun 2016 #41
That's what pretty much did it for me. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2016 #44
That is why Bernie is the winner. pangaia Jun 2016 #53
+1 Duval Jun 2016 #57
She will win without our help anyway. sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #25
Sounds about right to me. Average people have no concept of libdem4life Jun 2016 #29
I agree xloadiex Jun 2016 #30
I've often had the same thought KPN Jun 2016 #31
There will be plenty of "sane" GOPers -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2016 #46
Agree 100% Dems to Win Jun 2016 #51
Glad to know I am not the only one who thinks this eek MD Jun 2016 #60
If HRC is elected Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #32
Yes to all of this. The ironic thing is, she's basically a moderate Republican, and Nay Jun 2016 #36
Obama had a Dem Congress for two years and LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #43
Social Security and Abortion would be fair game for "reform" Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #45
Yep. I would not at all underestimate Hillary's interest LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #48
she will allow KeystoneXL's application to hopemountain Jun 2016 #56
+++ 1000 Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2016 #47
write in Bernie's name or Jill Stein amborin Jun 2016 #33
yes shanti Jun 2016 #42
I am in a safely blue state, so I will most likely vote for Jill Stein. MoonchildCA Jun 2016 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #38
Do you think Trump is not so bad, not such a bogeyman? I am curious uppityperson Jun 2016 #39
I refuse to be played by the Trump-Clinton tag team Dems to Win Jun 2016 #49
Don't worry. They'll fix your vote for you anyway. n/t FourScore Jun 2016 #50
Exactly. CharlotteVale Jun 2016 #58
#BernieorBust. I'll write his name in. The ballot in Nov. will be my final ballot. desmiller Jun 2016 #52
Is someone making a list Mike__M Jun 2016 #54
As a voter from the all important state Florida.... jg10003 Jun 2016 #55
We'll likely be joining you. Duval Jun 2016 #59
Live in Cali marlakay Jun 2016 #63
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