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calimary

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37. Here's my biggest concern: two words - "Avowed Socialist."
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jul 2015

Let me just say the following before going any further:

This is not MY own personal fear - OR objection to Bernie Sanders' views.

I have NO problem with "socialist"-type policies. Hell, Medicare and Social Security are exactly that. Socialist-type policies are aimed at the greater good instead of the benefit of the individual. What benefits, or works for, or helps - ALL of us, not just some specialized little privileged pockets of us. Sometimes I think that socialist solutions are urgently needed!!!! Most of the time they involve redistribution of income - and I think there are many cases when that is needed for the sake of income parity and leveling the playing field - TO BENEFIT THE GREATER GOOD. HOWEVER - it presents a really serious problem in how things are framed and advertised and promoted and propagandized - especially toward those who are the most easily influenced, AND the most gullible.

Those two words, "Avowed Socialist," is what we're ALL gonna get jammed down our throats, going into the general election, if Bernie Sanders is our nominee. It's already become a usable buzz phrase. I heard it just this morning from Donald Trump - I think it was during his latest CNN interview. It's not gonna stop at Donald Trump's lips, either. It's gonna come back and bite us all in the ass. The great unwashed out there in Low-Information-Voterland is gonna swallow it whole and vote GOP. The CONS are going to throw images of Josef Stalin and Vladimir Putin and Lenin and Trotsky and the hammer and sickle and all that. We're going COMMIE, you guys!!! COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE!!!!! SOCIALISM!!!!! SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They'll start calling the Sanders Campaign Headquarters the Kremlin and carry on like Osama bin Laden had risen from the grave and began to wear the Soviet flag as his personal campaign cape.

And that's all the low-info voters out there will need to hear, with Pox Noise and hate radio crankin' it 24/7/365. And it'll be another "Hello, president bush". It won't matter what Bernie Sanders says or what he stands for by the time we get to the general election. Because at that point, all the great unwashed will be counted in, too, and most of them are easily swayed by the ding-dongs and the hysteria types and the wet-the-bed types and the pearl-clutcher types and conspiracy freaks. It'll scare them stupid (or in their case, stupider - cuz they're already plenty stupid) and they will not hear anything else he'd have to say, regardless how valid his points or his solutions are. They just will close their ears. Guaranteed. If you doubt me at all on this, just think back to all those ridiculous pathetic bagger idiots yelling about "SOCIALISM!!!!!!" while they were holding misspelled protest signs that screeched "Keep Yer Hands OFF MY MEDICARE!" If you doubt me at all on this, just think how many bagger-jerks resist the Affordable Care Act - when they are among those in exactly the most desperate need of that kind of social program. Just think of all the people out there who need policies like what the Democrats tend to come up with - and vote against them every time because they're trained by now to vote against their best interests. Yep. They're out there. They're STILL out there. And they haven't learned squat. And most of 'em are still blind as bats and deaf as doorknobs toward that message. The vast majority of them are VERY easily scared. And fear-mongering is one of the things our adversaries do best. They scared voters away from Michael Dukakis by plastering Willie Horton posters all over everywhere - TO SCARE VOTERS. If Bernie is our nominee, be prepared to see Josef Stalin posters everywhere and Bernie hammer-&-sickle t-shirts on every CON operative in Christendom.

I have next-to-NO confidence in the smarts of the average American voter. NONE. I expect them to go for the stupid, to be herded around like cattle, to go complete and total lemming on us, and leave whatever intellect or independent thinking or critical fact-baesd reasoning they might have had - at the door. I know what will manipulate them and scare them into voting CON. The GOP understands motivation out of fear. So does ISIS, for that matter. And so did bin Laden. All the really successful and ruthless leaders understand this. Fear WORKS. Fear motivates. Fear energizes. Fear. And the fear of those dreaded dirty Commies of yesteryear is STILL strong and STILL easily stoked. Count on it. And whoever thinks it won't have an effect "because the American People will SEE! The American People will UNDERSTAND!" is severely over-estimating the intelligence of the general electorate. Hell, I've even HEARD that dual statement - "but... but... but... the American People will SEE! The American People will KNOW! The American People will UNDERSTAND! And they Won't Be FOOLED!" from numerous Democratic strategists and talking heads over the years - and they wind up being wrong every damn time. Joe Madison was one of those on MSNBC all the time and he used to infuriate me with that! Yeah? Seriously? They'll SEE? My ASS.

I'm really sorry to have to say this. I hate having to make this point. But we all have to be VERY strategically aware here, if we expect to keep the White House.
I love a whole lot about what Bernie Sanders stands for.
I agree with a whole lot of what Bernie Sanders stands for.
I support MOST of what Bernie Sanders stands for.

But he's gonna scare voters away if he gets the nomination. Suddenly we'll have a brand new 21st Century "Red Scare". You think you heard 'em yowl "I want MY America BACK!!!!!" when Barack Obama arrived on the scene? Dear God in Heaven - just wait til they think "The Russians Are Coming!!!!"

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Missing the whole Bernie Sanders point [View all] babylonsister Jul 2015 OP
Ideas? Policies? In American politics? Heresy!! Scuba Jul 2015 #1
So true, thanks for this. zomgitsjesus Jul 2015 #2
True. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #4
I've been wondering about what Duval Jul 2015 #22
For all those who are supporting Hillary simply because they don't think Bernie can win, Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #3
Very well said! Better than well. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #8
+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #11
Well said, Dustlawyer. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #19
Thank you for this well thought out post chknltl Jul 2015 #23
Thank you for that! eom JEB Jul 2015 #28
+1. nt nc4bo Jul 2015 #33
So true MissDeeds Jul 2015 #36
How about those supporting Bernie because we aren't sure Hillary can win? merrily Jul 2015 #47
Good point! Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #66
EXCELLENT! SO tired of hearing from Dems & Progressive Radio Hosts... Rockyj Jul 2015 #72
The US Military is the largest Socialist system in the world. tecelote Jul 2015 #93
No one person can get us there but he is the best to lead. bjobotts Jul 2015 #86
...^ that 840high Jul 2015 #90
Additionally kenfrequed Jul 2015 #5
Hell yes..... daleanime Jul 2015 #12
Sanders's and Warren's appeal can start turning things around. merrily Jul 2015 #48
Damn right we do! And a massive GOTV campaign would be the natural result arcane1 Jul 2015 #52
More than a tactic, idea, its truth Protalker Jul 2015 #6
But Hillary is clearly not fighting against the rich. Maedhros Jul 2015 #31
She is only tough when sticking it to people like us. cprise Jul 2015 #38
This group is for supporters Bernie Sanders. smokey nj Jul 2015 #41
Kicked and recommended! An idea. Not a tactic. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #7
He states it so clearely JackInGreen Jul 2015 #9
So true-if she triangulated any harder, she'd turn into a pyramid! Divernan Jul 2015 #20
Amen.... daleanime Jul 2015 #10
Ideas vs. tactics... democrank Jul 2015 #13
+1,000:corporate produced plastic flowers versus fresh cut from the garden Divernan Jul 2015 #18
People don't know what to do. rbnyc Jul 2015 #14
I know what to do and my head hasn't exploded! SoapBox Jul 2015 #16
Thank goodness... rbnyc Jul 2015 #17
Yes indeed. People like what he says emulatorloo Jul 2015 #15
Tom Toles Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #21
I remember those! d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #30
Waaaahhh. I want to rec this post and I can't. merrily Jul 2015 #49
The old guard of Dem campaign 'strategists' and spokespeople seem clueless AND arrogant - blm Jul 2015 #24
I'll grant he's the better candidate. Can he win the General? Amimnoch Jul 2015 #25
Same way Hillary would win swing states. ieoeja Jul 2015 #27
Frankly ... KPN Jul 2015 #34
BINGO! merrily Jul 2015 #55
Well damn, merrily Android3.14 Jul 2015 #91
In theory, her time as Secretary of State improved her chances in the general, but I don't think merrily Jul 2015 #94
Here's my biggest concern: two words - "Avowed Socialist." calimary Jul 2015 #37
This group is for SUPPORTERS of Bernie Sanders. smokey nj Jul 2015 #40
Sorry about that. calimary Jul 2015 #45
Avowed Democratic Socialist, big difference. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #50
Granted. But remember the dim bulbs we're dealing with. calimary Jul 2015 #65
Dim bulbs is putting it nicely, I was envisioning more like cracked bulbs. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #96
Well, that works, too! calimary Jul 2015 #97
... Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #98
And what is so wrong with a Scandinavian lifestyle? mwooldri Jul 2015 #82
Nothing at all! calimary Jul 2015 #88
This group is for SUPPORTERS of Bernie Sanders. smokey nj Jul 2015 #39
This is not the group for Hillary supporters. merrily Jul 2015 #51
Bernie can win the same way he has been winning for the last 40 years. By proposing Vincardog Jul 2015 #54
I think he will be far better at getting Republican and independent support than Clinton eridani Jul 2015 #64
Historically, he pulls independents and republicans as well as Dems. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #73
I'm not quite sure what moderate is Nite Owl Jul 2015 #89
My apologies to this group. Amimnoch Jul 2015 #95
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #26
I just got asked to start a Bernie Group in the very red state of Oklahoma. libdem4life Jul 2015 #29
That's great! cui bono Jul 2015 #42
I'm considering it as fun and meeting new people. Thanks. libdem4life Jul 2015 #57
From Boston, I wish you great success. merrily Jul 2015 #56
Thank you. I wondered for many years how Liberals in red states functioned. libdem4life Jul 2015 #58
People are people. I cannot imagine that expanding Social Security, Medicare for all merrily Jul 2015 #59
True, but much of the state is rural conservative and history dies hard. libdem4life Jul 2015 #60
We look forward to hearing from you. merrily Jul 2015 #61
Thanks libdem4life Jul 2015 #63
May I suggest that you connect with Barry Friedman & the Tulsa Voice? scarletwoman Jul 2015 #69
Thank you for the information. I surely will. libdem4life Jul 2015 #70
Ha! Just for shitz.... Marty McGraw Jul 2015 #71
Back at ya ... Speaking of Ha! ... the first group listed was...get ready... libdem4life Jul 2015 #74
Whoa... shitz again! Marty McGraw Jul 2015 #76
No I didn't...now I don't have to do it. Just join. Works for me. Thanks, yet again. libdem4life Jul 2015 #77
Glad it can Help Marty McGraw Jul 2015 #79
Ideas VS tactics FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #32
Another good Toles LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #35
Over consumption can kill you! Babel_17 Jul 2015 #44
The Sanders campaign, mass hypnosis, or mind control drugs? Babel_17 Jul 2015 #43
Straczynski's B5 Mollari? Marty McGraw Jul 2015 #75
Yeah, with the right PR ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #84
well for the one prior to our current president... Marty McGraw Jul 2015 #87
And to stop the rich from poisoning our world. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #46
The problem with Senator Sanders Thespian2 Jul 2015 #53
No need to worry. Hillary's got Axelrod so she's gonna win.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #62
Something is happening here and you don't know what it is deutsey Jul 2015 #68
He has no clue so don't send him one... Kalidurga Jul 2015 #78
Did you hear Axelrod calling Bernie a "fling?" Stardust Jul 2015 #83
I've heard him called "The Liberal Karl Rove". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #85
K&R deutsey Jul 2015 #67
The 1% work the middle class and upper middle class with fear. Anything we do for those brewens Jul 2015 #80
Good points. Sick to death of the notion that there is 'an approved' candidate and anyone sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #81
rec #199 MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #92
I think we should start a drinking game artislife Jul 2015 #99
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