Bernie Sanders
In reply to the discussion: Check in if you sincerely believe that Bernie can win. [View all]tymorial
(3,433 posts)Let's look at the president. What made him qualified in 2008? Compared to the rest of the candidates, Obama was the least experienced. I would argue that he was underqualified at the time. He was a junior senator with less than 3 years experience when he announced his candidacy. He was also 45 years old. I supported Clinton in the primaries in large part because I felt she was more qualified and had more experience. I obviously voted for Obama in the general election and I have felt he has done a decent job. I have disagreed with him from time to time and I wished more of his promises came to fruition but I have generally been satisfied with his presidency. Now, I realize this will likely ruffle a LOT of feathers but I honestly feel that the reason why President Obama won the primaries is because he is biracial. Many people wanted to support a black candidate because they wanted to see the first black president. He has tremendous charisma and his message was extremely popular. America is better off to have had Obama as president. Yet I wonder if Barak were white, would he had made it through the primaries. Would he have defeated Clinton? If he managed to get the nomination, could he had defeated McCain? America was ready for a change in 2008 so perhaps he could have still won. America is ready for a change again is Sanders enough?
Whether he can win makes me consider both the primaries and the general election. In a general election against Bush, I think sanders can win. If Trump managed to get the nomination, I think Sanders would win. If Rand Paul somehow pulled an upset and took the nomination, I think it would be interesting. I'm not sure which would win in that scenario. The rest of the republican lot, I don't see ever making it that far though to be honest I am surprised Trump has those numbers.
This requires Sanders to win the primaries and that is going to be difficult. In a lot of ways, Hillary represents Obama when it comes to the "feelings" vote. Many people will support her because she is a woman and having a women in office is long overdue. Clinton has baggage though. Obama had it too but his charisma and message proved to be stronger. If we're honest, Clinton doesn't have Obama's charisma. She also receives tremendous support from Wall Street and that turns people off. Her baggage is political. Obama had no political baggage because he had little experience. We went purely on what he would do rather than what he had done.
So, if Sanders wins the nomination he can win. Whether he wins the nomination has everything to do with whether or not people will support Clinton. Sanders has a better message in my opinion. Clinton is a woman and I honestly do believe that matters to a lot of people. If she were let's say Elizabeth Warren, there would be no conversation. She would be president. Clinton has too much baggage. We'll see