Bernie Sanders

swilton

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20. It's bothered me for some time now that Sanders is being attacked from the left

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 04:29 PM

Jul 2015

as if there is a fifth column within the Green Party.

Counter Punch articles -

Chris Hedges, Bruce Gagnon - some of the left is made at Sanders, not because they disagree with him on issues, but because he chose to run not as an Independent or Green, but because he's running in the Democratic Party Primary.

http://www.examiner.com/article/gagnon-s-bullshit-meter-is-counter-revolutionary-propaganda

Sanders is smart enough to know that he would get even less visibility than he's getting now if he ran as an independent or a Green....The only way he'll get noticed and funding is if he runs within the Democratic Party - a direct challenge to the establishment. Furthermore, if elected, he needs what few progressives/alliances he has or can glean from within the system to implement his agenda. The Greens/Independents and Hedges are upset by this approach - foolishly now opposing Sanders based upon the argument that the DNC will never let him get his foot in the door and/or the other argument that Sanders isn't ideologically pure enough. Sanders is already being attacked by the Green Party (who doesn't have its own primary) as 'being the lesser of two evils'.

Such a circular firing squad approach is foolish because it ignores the 50 state strategy (broad grass-roots appeal) that Sanders is successfully implementing (fund-raising from small groups, rally turn-outs exceeding any other political candidates, even in red states) with greater achievements than any Green or Independent could think about having. It also ignores how such parties would benefit if Sanders does win and overturns Citizens United and implements publicly funded elections.

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Is It Me Or Is There A Concerted Effort Being Made To Attack Bernie.... [View all] global1 Jul 2015 OP

Yes, there is it's okay though Kalidurga Jul 2015 #1

Oh, it's just the same ole, same ole shuckin' and jivin' merrily Jul 2015 #31

Someone alerted on you for being "disgustingly racist". Voted to keep. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #71

Thanks. Ironic My intent: Referring to Andrew Cuomo's remark about Obama during the 2008 primary, merrily Jul 2015 #73

It's an old 60's playbook on how to divide the Left/Progressives.... villager Jul 2015 #2

So This Organized Attack Is Coming From The Right?.....nt global1 Jul 2015 #5

There are many places it could be coming from. jeff47 Jul 2015 #12

Plus that can change the more "successful" each of the respective movements is villager Jul 2015 #19

Yes, I remember the infiltrators during TM99 Jul 2015 #28

I saw an interview with the women from BLM that were protesting marym625 Jul 2015 #64

BOOM. merrily Jul 2015 #86

1460s? Dividing people by race has a long, long history. merrily Jul 2015 #85

Looks that way. Time will undoubtedly tell. (No, you're not naive.) Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #3

Yes. Yes. Who stands to gain by driving a wedge between minorities and progressives? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #4

Who stands to gain by disrupting speeches by O'Malley and Sanders? merrily Jul 2015 #32

Exactly. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #35

Don't kill me. I will cannot fault BLM and don't want to. merrily Jul 2015 #84

I think that's a yes and no thing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #6

I agree about BLM, but if I were a black activist I would be going after the Autumn Jul 2015 #8

A list of needs that is within the power of the federal government would be a good thing. merrily Jul 2015 #33

That would be a good thing for BLM to work on with him, then. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #38

Or with Obama and with all candidates. merrily Jul 2015 #41

No. Bernie has addressed the issue often.... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #37

If that's the case, and it was about the protestors, and not Bernie or O'Malley, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #39

They presented their issue at a scheduled panel discussion that very morning. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #42

I see it more as camera time to keep their issue in the public eye. That is really the goal of all jwirr Jul 2015 #95

It's not just you n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #7

No, you're not being naive�you're spot on. CoffeeCat Jul 2015 #9

This needs to be its own post... /NT dirtydickcheney Jul 2015 #13

Excellent analysis, CoffeeCat. k&r, nt appal_jack Jul 2015 #14

Good post. Thanks. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #15

It would be foolish to believe otherwise. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #22

This should be an OP. Another point, M$M has virtual silence re Bernie. No coverage on major news peacebird Jul 2015 #58

I find this fascinating too... CoffeeCat Jul 2015 #107

It will make it interesting, if millenials come out and vote the power of M$M could be diminished peacebird Jul 2015 #109

Spot on MissDeeds Jul 2015 #72

And it is not like the first time it was done. zeemike Jul 2015 #75

Longer than that, zeemike. merrily Jul 2015 #87

Yes for sure Hover did not invent infiltration and disruption. zeemike Jul 2015 #92

I don't think the attack is on Bernie as much as his overall supporters who 'BLM' may see as blm Jul 2015 #10

I think part of DU obsesses over Bernie's DU supporters merrily Jul 2015 #34

Listen to them. Even those of us here who support Sanders blm Jul 2015 #43

If you have a problem with something I've posted, point me to the post(s) of mine to which you merrily Jul 2015 #46

I responded appropriately to your post and did so without blm Jul 2015 #61

Your response was totally appropriate to the question I asked and, no, you merrily Jul 2015 #69

That was never said. And I don't 'do' personal. blm Jul 2015 #93

It's basic ratfucking. jeff47 Jul 2015 #11

"... Where is it coming from? Anyone who doesn't want Sanders to win. ...". Exactly. There are too GoneFishin Jul 2015 #16

It makes no practical sense for the right to waste ammo on Sanders unless and until he merrily Jul 2015 #47

Sure it does. He's the one with excitement. jeff47 Jul 2015 #49

True, They don't want his ideas. merrily Jul 2015 #50

The left and the corporations and bankers who do not like his message. jwirr Jul 2015 #96

Yep. And "the billionaires" merrily Jul 2015 #97

Nope. It's not just you. truebrit71 Jul 2015 #17

Whew, I thought I was getting paranoid- ruffburr Jul 2015 #18

It's bothered me for some time now that Sanders is being attacked from the left swilton Jul 2015 #20

Great find, swilton. You might want to make article an OP. merrily Jul 2015 #36

Thanks merrily! swilton Jul 2015 #48

Sorry I missed it first time around. merrily Jul 2015 #52

Paul Street at CounterPunch, also.... KoKo Jul 2015 #66

Early on, someone describing himself or herself as a Vermont Socialist posted to warn that Bernie is merrily Jul 2015 #88

Just looking at how Sanders is marginalized now swilton Jul 2015 #98

What about a New Dem Movement? KoKo Jul 2015 #99

Agree with everything you just said swilton Jul 2015 #100

He's attacking the establishment - TBF Jul 2015 #21

I was fuming mad at two MSNBC shows this afternoon... SoapBox Jul 2015 #23

On your word..... Enthusiast Jul 2015 #26

Politics can be shameless, this is known (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2015 #24

Bernie Sanders: "and like everybody in this room, I want to see an America where young black men can walk down the street, nenagh Jul 2015 #25

They sure as hell won't hear of it on "Liberal" MSNBC or NPR. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #27

Not days before, THE day before. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #40

Thanks HooptieWagon...for the clarifications... nenagh Jul 2015 #62

It held no interest for corporate media. blm Jul 2015 #44

If some did know--and I am sure at least some do--would it make a whit of difference? merrily Jul 2015 #45

Good point merrily, no it would not have made a whit of difference to what happened... nenagh Jul 2015 #57

I don't get the impression that facts have much impact. merrily Jul 2015 #59

I am glad you posted it and did not mean to imply otherwise. merrily Jul 2015 #74

Not at all merrily...I didn't at all take your comment negatively at all... nenagh Jul 2015 #83

Wow! Thank you for the compliment. merrily Jul 2015 #89

No it's not just you. Autumn Jul 2015 #29

Definitely. Both right and left have co-ordination in this one. mmonk Jul 2015 #30

sure feels like it - if you've ever seen trial lawyers in action HFRN Jul 2015 #51

Watching both videos of BLM Activists confronting both O'Malley and Sanders... KoKo Jul 2015 #67

Of course. Phlem Jul 2015 #53

The pros WILL notice and will find a way to use it against him. They probably already have. merrily Jul 2015 #90

BLM NN15 protesters are hypocrites Larkspur Jul 2015 #54

+ a million SoapBox Jul 2015 #56

Good question. That's where their anger should be direc HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #65

More frustration. SoapBox Jul 2015 #55

I bet other campaigns will buy up a lot of the tickets. merrily Jul 2015 #91

No, you aren't being naive. historylovr Jul 2015 #60

Here: Zorra Jul 2015 #63

...! KoKo Jul 2015 #68

There's a reason Hillary was not at Netroots. L0oniX Jul 2015 #70

...! KoKo Jul 2015 #106

We saw it coming! He's a threat to the Status Quo, and they are coming after him. arcane1 Jul 2015 #76

Sounds like a sectarian leftist type of attack DBoon Jul 2015 #77

It's you. RandySF Jul 2015 #78

your appearance proves the opposite..... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #81

If partisan politics is a concerted effort, yes to that degree, and vice versa. The unfortunate still_one Jul 2015 #79

You May Be Right cantbeserious Jul 2015 #80

You bet there is. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #82

the ones trying to use this for political advantage ibegurpard Jul 2015 #94

"I don't know if he likes Immigrants"... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author untrue Jul 2015 #102

About 80%/20% thing. Half-Century Man Jul 2015 #103

It's not really about Bernie... ymetca Jul 2015 #104

As concerted as they can manage ;) Babel_17 Jul 2015 #105

There definitely is. See below. Zorra Jul 2015 #108