Bernie Sanders

cascadiance

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85. The main reason that Obama won was that people felt they could "HOPE" he would be better...

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 04:34 PM

Aug 2015

... when he ran a more nebulous campaign in terms of specifics about how he would make some real progressive changes when asking for votes, and Hillary was more specific on what she'd do with issues like how'd she engage in military action in the middle east, etc. that they tuned out and "hoped" for a better solution from Barack. Especially many who earlier were supporting Edwards who was more specific in what he'd do, and Obama who was more nebulous, was their second choice.

I think this time around, hope is not good enough for people to vote for a candidate. They want someone with a track record for at least trying to put in place progressive legislation and actions if not doing them, and someone who's been consistent on stances to do these sorts of things. Bernie is that person they want that embodies those wishes, where neither Obama's or Hillary's sort of campaign this time around is what people want to hear from a candidate.

Promises, promises!...

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He's not gonna beat Clinton ........ Bernie Group [View all] Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 OP

Go Bernie! newfie11 Aug 2015 #1

If Barack Can Win Then Bernie Can Win billhicks76 Aug 2015 #115

My favorite (today) - "Establishment Dem endorses Establishment Dem!!!!" djean111 Aug 2015 #2

djean, may I say again how much I value your brilliant posts? merrily Aug 2015 #7

That was known to be a hallmark of the Republicans (the idea of establishing turns) Babel_17 Aug 2015 #37

I don't know why we adopted that strategy after McCain and Romney lost the general. merrily Aug 2015 #41

Only a few weeks ago the DU meme was that Sanders didn't have ENOUGH money arcane1 Aug 2015 #42

In fairness, that's two different pots of money. One is campaign funds and the other is personal merrily Aug 2015 #43

No, seriously, there was an OP that said his personal finances are too low to be president. arcane1 Aug 2015 #46

That poster would really be upset if Bernie were to be President for 8 years and leave A Simple Game Aug 2015 #63

I saw it too. I mentioned in my Reply 7. merrily Aug 2015 #74

Today, Thinking About posted that Sanders votes for military budgets and that JDPriestly Aug 2015 #54

I don't know, man...when you look at some of these turds in Congress, they PatrickforO Aug 2015 #72

You mean he gives to the poor? artislife Aug 2015 #97

I don't know for certain, but I suspect him merrily Aug 2015 #98

Well, when we look at Bernie's cohort strategery blunder Aug 2015 #8

$21.5 MILLION: Hillary's Net Worth TBF Aug 2015 #24

And, if she runs out, her husband will share. In 2008, their assets were $110 million, IIRC. merrily Aug 2015 #79

Wowza, I thought that WAS combined income. TBF Aug 2015 #81

If it is combined, they didn't manage the fortune they had in 2008 very well. merrily Aug 2015 #82

Good post! nikto Aug 2015 #109

She may beat herself this time around. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #3

Chapter 6: �The Email That Can Land You In Jail.� Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #4

No wonder they're floating Biden and Gore - TBF Aug 2015 #27

Oops! HappyPlace Aug 2015 #111

^^ THIS ^^ All things being equal HRC wins hands down. However, the "keystone cops" jonno99 Aug 2015 #77

Phew! - LiberalElite Aug 2015 #5

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #6

The difference: merrily Aug 2015 #9

Sadly correct Hydra Aug 2015 #28

Technically, two New Democrats running against each other and two DNC insiders. merrily Aug 2015 #31

H. Clinton and Obama have pretty much the same ideologies, so Obama had to try rhett o rick Aug 2015 #60

Thanks Rick. I agree as to Sanders having a better shot at winning the general. merrily Aug 2015 #62

Rahmbo!! CrispyQ Aug 2015 #71

Gods... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #73

Rahm wasn't such a shock to me as he gave a big hint of what was to come when he picked Rick Warren rhett o rick Aug 2015 #76

I think Obama thought he could make nice with righties and wanted to be senz Aug 2015 #100

Obama verbally distanced himself from the organization DLC in 2007, (?) bvar22 Aug 2015 #83

Yes (sigh) Whaddayagonnadoo merrily Aug 2015 #86

And this move sealed the deal too! cascadiance Aug 2015 #88

She should have been kicked to the curb a long time ago. bvar22 Aug 2015 #90

I don't understand Blue Dog Dems. senz Aug 2015 #101

This is the only page of the DNC I visit & I visit it often, for all the good it does. CrispyQ Aug 2015 #94

The main reason that Obama won was that people felt they could "HOPE" he would be better... cascadiance Aug 2015 #85

To be fair, there was change. He was NOT Bush's third term. merrily Aug 2015 #87

And that fear card is always played on us to avoid a change being made to the Democrats... cascadiance Aug 2015 #89

That was no fear card. It was a statement about Obama. merrily Aug 2015 #91

Yes, many of us pragmatically voted for Obama in that instance... cascadiance Aug 2015 #92

I was totally gung ho in 2008. I was pragmatic in 2012. merrily Aug 2015 #93

Despite claims to the contrary, he also ran as a "Populist". bvar22 Aug 2015 #105

And I believe that John Edwards was INTENTIONALLY left in the race to "gather liberal votes"... cascadiance Aug 2015 #75

I have some of the same doubts. bvar22 Aug 2015 #84

Bernie's top 10 donors don't even add up to Emily's List PAC, #5 on HRC's top 10 list. CrispyQ Aug 2015 #70

This is why Bernie needs us. merrily Aug 2015 #80

I loved the way those lists were spun senz Aug 2015 #102

More like the investment bankers are contributing to Hillary and the machinists to Bernie. merrily Aug 2015 #113

Definitely. senz Aug 2015 #118

Do right wingers ever admit trusty elf Aug 2015 #10

I hope to hear Kristol say the same thing about Bernie thesquanderer Aug 2015 #26

Now they are all saying nice things about him NoDakJoe Aug 2015 #11

WTF? merrily Aug 2015 #16

I think (but am not certain) that what is meant is that the only reason ANYONE would say djean111 Aug 2015 #33

Yes, I got that. But how the fuck is that an appropriate post for this group? merrily Aug 2015 #34

Look at the post count. It is a typical defecate and run post. Very typical. n/t djean111 Aug 2015 #35

I saw the post count. I wish our hosts had delete power. merrily Aug 2015 #36

They truly are ... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #119

Focus on Bernie. What anyone says doesn't matter. March 1 will matter. merrily Aug 2015 #120

So for them it's all "personality." Nothing more. senz Aug 2015 #104

Good point, I knew Rush was praising Bernie but didn't realize the other two were also. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #68

Bernie is a different case treestar Aug 2015 #12

You know you're posting in the Sanders Group, not the BOG or the Hilary Group, right? merrily Aug 2015 #13

Didn't you know? The other groups are protected, but the Bernie group is fair game. djean111 Aug 2015 #15

I can't worry about what they call us. merrily Aug 2015 #17

Ha! I don't worry, in fact, it is sort of reassuring. n/t djean111 Aug 2015 #21

As long as it JackInGreen Aug 2015 #23

But Sanders Isn't Obama AlbertCat Aug 2015 #47

depends on how you read it. merrily Aug 2015 #48

Quite a few of us would like to feel as safe AlbertCat Aug 2015 #49

Thanks, but the only time I can recall not knowing what year it was merrily Aug 2015 #51

Thanks, but the only time I can recall not knowing what year it was AlbertCat Aug 2015 #53

Stop it. I moved off that post before 8 this morning. Even then, my entire post was "WTF?" merrily Aug 2015 #55

Stop it. I moved off that post before 8 this morning. Even then, my entire post was "WTF?" AlbertCat Aug 2015 #64

I thought that people stopped that repeating tactic before grade school. merrily Aug 2015 #66

You're right, Bernie is way ahead Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #56

Looks like we need to add "Bernie Group" to thread titles. Like "Obama Group" and "HRC Group" djean111 Aug 2015 #14

+1000 MissDeeds Aug 2015 #29

That assumes someone would respect the notation. merrily Aug 2015 #58

You need to vote and support Rick Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #18

Love it! jonno99 Aug 2015 #78

You are in a protected group. Post accordingly. This is the only warning you will get. Autumn Aug 2015 #20

Missed the point entirely. n/t Dawgs Aug 2015 #30

This group is for supporters of Bernie Sanders. smokey nj Aug 2015 #32

And history doesn't...... daleanime Aug 2015 #40

IMO, history is not repeating itself so fair. merrily Aug 2015 #59

Nooooo JackInGreen Aug 2015 #69

"Bernie is not Obama." BeanMusical Aug 2015 #99

The pundintocracy Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #19

I find it amusing ....... a lot of games are being played Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #22

Great. Thank you for that. merrily Aug 2015 #25

Plus the fact they tried to deport him for years. He finally won. But the 'Right' hated him. YOHABLO Aug 2015 #110

Of course they hated him. Start with the long hair and it's all downhill from there. merrily Aug 2015 #114

K&R!! nt AikenYankee Aug 2015 #38

Funny that some of those who actually supported Barack Obama and now support Hillary Clinton davidpdx Aug 2015 #39

k&r avaistheone1 Aug 2015 #44

That is really funny. SoapBox Aug 2015 #45

Isn't the term "wealthy academics" an oxymoron? colorado_ufo Aug 2015 #50

It fooled me. Hahaha azmom Aug 2015 #52

That punchline was a surprise. Binkie The Clown Aug 2015 #57

Heh-heh! cer7711 Aug 2015 #61

Well done! Zorra Aug 2015 #65

Buwahahaha! Cleita Aug 2015 #67

Excellent boatsnhose Aug 2015 #95

Gonna go Bern one right now Blue Owl Aug 2015 #96

Nice post. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #103

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2015 #106

You had me fooled! ozone_man Aug 2015 #107

I prefer to go forward. not backwards PatrynXX Aug 2015 #108

She was going to win 08 awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #112

politics makes strange bedfellows, after all, you Bernie types repeat the same ericson00 Aug 2015 #116

"Bernie types?" smokey nj Aug 2015 #117