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Bernie Sanders

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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:48 PM Sep 2015

So some do not consider us real Democrats? Want us to leave the party? [View all]

This is beyond sad now. I could say I have been a Democrat since the first time I ever voted. I could say that I have supported candidates in the primary who lost, but I have always voted for the nominee.

But why bother anymore? Seems some paint us all with the same broad brush..."NOT Democrats."

The Need For A Divorce

I've encouraged the Sanders supporters at DU to leave the Democratic Party and to go form their own. They're not Democrats in the truest sense, they're totalitarians who require unquestioned allegiance, as several of you have noted. FDR would want nothing to do with them. But they, of course, don't want to do the heavy lifting of forming their own party. Better to pirate what someone else built. Is anyone really surprised at this?

Why do Sanders supporters need to go elsewhere? Despite what they claim they believe, their actions spell out their motivations all too clear. They will never be happy within the Democratic Party unless they have things 100% their way and with everyone in the party 100% in agreement with them. Even those who have been members for 50+ years will, in essence, have to swear an oath to all things "progressive" as defined by them. All you have to do is see how upset they are that you're "permitted" (from their POV) to talk about Sanders on this site where they can't shut you up. Is there any doubt they'd be any different should he win the election? A party like that either becomes a dictatorship or it crumbles. And don't believe for a second the Sanders supports have any problem with dictatorships, especially when it means they'd get their way.

...When Sanders does not get the nomination (and he won't), his supporters need to be told in no uncertain terms to go away. We don't need them. They're nothing but trouble. Why the hell would we want to embrace a group that we know is going to be nothing but a thorn in our side? All your going to get from them is "I'll hold my nose and vote for her, but I'm not going to pretend she's not a war hawk and a corporate $@#*%!!!!!! And I'm still going to call her that!!!!" You really think the Party needs people in it like that?? Has Obama needed that shit?? Hell NO!

Oh, but some will say we need them to win the election. I strongly disagree. Look, if you have to win by having them on board, you've already lost before you started. I think showing them the door is the best thing for not only the Party, but for the country. And the break-up, which is coming at some point, is going to be worse later than now.


I have never had a post hidden, and I take pride in that.

But sometimes some things need to be pointed out.
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Written by a self-described "big donor" to the Democratic party. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #1
That "big donor" is an idiot, then Warpy Sep 2015 #3
Yup.... truebluegreen Sep 2015 #8
Naturally, a “big donor” would be crestfallen that he can’t buy this candidate dorkzilla Sep 2015 #20
Yup. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #65
I think the "big donor"... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #67
"big donor"... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #61
Yup. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #66
Yes they are. malokvale77 Sep 2015 #70
Yup! truebluegreen Sep 2015 #71
amazing. My family has been part of the dem party since it was formed in 1796. roguevalley Sep 2015 #79
I've been a Democrat since I was first able to vote some 45 years ago. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #2
Same here. OnionPatch Sep 2015 #85
Holy Crap - LiberalElite Sep 2015 #4
That's what I was going to say Hydra Sep 2015 #74
I could give a rats ass pinebox Sep 2015 #5
I'm at the point that with charges and counter-charges flying at over a year before the actual Bohunk68 Sep 2015 #6
Good Point...it is a year away from the election, and you also said something very very important.. Stuart G Sep 2015 #22
Ah the "love it or leave" meme katsy Sep 2015 #7
reminds me of the Bush years. "If you aren't for us you are against us." Jackilope Sep 2015 #19
You said it better than I katsy Sep 2015 #62
Remember the awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #87
That site is vile and of no help to HRC. questionseverything Sep 2015 #29
Exactly what I was thinking. katsy Sep 2015 #68
Fascist is as fascist does Demeter Sep 2015 #9
Thank You for your post Demeter...you said it well. n/t haikugal Sep 2015 #37
The Hillary people better squash that shit quickly, They may get their wish. nt Snotcicles Sep 2015 #10
But we will leave the party AFTER we win the WH artislife Sep 2015 #15
I really don't get where this is coming from.. DianeK Sep 2015 #11
Having a post hidden... lunatica Sep 2015 #36
thank you DianeK Sep 2015 #50
.... madfloridian Sep 2015 #55
Hey MF - sorry about that pause. hootinholler Sep 2015 #12
Mad you have been sharing about the formation TM99 Sep 2015 #13
"Progressives will be relegated to the fringes and dismissed completely." madfloridian Sep 2015 #14
Thanks for the post-my thoughts as well. jalan48 Sep 2015 #21
Reading what both of you Post Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #44
+1000000 HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #64
a destructive suggestion. barbtries Sep 2015 #16
Thanks. madfloridian Sep 2015 #18
I've not been a Democrat since 2004 Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #17
...classic... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #23
Beyond sad. Yes. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #24
Liberal bashing within the Democratic Party is kind of DirkGently Sep 2015 #25
They consider themselves to be the true Liberals.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #51
Hmm. davidthegnome Sep 2015 #26
Sour grapes, it appears. Cleita Sep 2015 #27
"Sanders is the spokesperson for what the Democratic Party used to stand for" madfloridian Sep 2015 #28
I wish I could rec and kick your post lunatica Sep 2015 #40
I agree... yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #57
Bravo for stating the reality of the Democratic Party! appalachiablue Sep 2015 #75
+10000000 nashville_brook Sep 2015 #80
In the spirit of Pope Francis' visit, let's remember this from his UN address: forest444 Sep 2015 #30
Well, Sanders is polling about 25% nationally among Dems Doctor_J Sep 2015 #31
It's quite possible the Centerists would rather lose Hydra Sep 2015 #76
Written by a true centrist lunatica Sep 2015 #32
Just who/what is a Democrat anyway? mwooldri Sep 2015 #33
To me this sounds like a RepubliCON posing as a Democrat RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #34
Well, I could point out that a lot SheilaT Sep 2015 #35
It is ironic that a person posts this on a site dedicated only to Hillary and on which, I presume, JDPriestly Sep 2015 #38
This person seems to think Duval Sep 2015 #39
You know what MissDeeds Sep 2015 #41
I've never read such a crock of crap on this site before Hulk Sep 2015 #42
Maybe the party needs to break up with some of its "members" Fearless Sep 2015 #43
When exactly did Clintonistas sulphurdunn Sep 2015 #45
To whoever wrote the original piece, what a load of fucking tripe. CrispyQ Sep 2015 #46
"Oh, but some will say we need them to win the election. I strongly disagree." LiberalLovinLug Sep 2015 #47
I'm supporting Hillary Clinton YoungDemCA Sep 2015 #48
thank you your thoughtful contribution DianeK Sep 2015 #52
This is the same as 2008 unapatriciated Sep 2015 #49
This money guy is as corrupt as his opposition, thinking he determines value for the FDR wing and ancianita Sep 2015 #53
You really think the Party needs people in it like that?? Has Obama needed that shit?? Hell NO! DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #54
I'm not going to sign the divorce papers. The Democratic party is stuck with my ass. BlueJazz Sep 2015 #56
Well, i already left ejbr Sep 2015 #58
as I've long noted to those sad ones, as usurpers stupidicus Sep 2015 #59
Well said MissDeeds Sep 2015 #60
It is much more than just this latest meme of truedelphi Sep 2015 #63
And that link is on the Hillary for America site. Amazing. rogerashton Sep 2015 #69
Fuck anybody who thinks they can eject a New Dealer Trajan Sep 2015 #72
What a palooka! dae Sep 2015 #73
Read it again. It was written by a Republican tblue Sep 2015 #77
"Better to pirate what someone else built." stranger81 Sep 2015 #78
Sanders supporters are not all Democrats. Lots are from the alienated 63% eridani Sep 2015 #81
If you are a registered Democrat you are in the party. Walk away Sep 2015 #82
You seem to have taken a wrong turn. smokey nj Sep 2015 #83
no, that d after clinton's name is meaningless elana i am Sep 2015 #86
My parents belonged to unions in the 60's/70's - TBF Sep 2015 #84
Hmmmmm, I wonder who on earth posted that? in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #88
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