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16. "Our founders" were white capitalist slave-owners...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:37 PM
Nov 2015

interested in protecting the private property of such. Nothing more and nothing less. The sooner people get the tooth-fairy idea out of their head that the "founding fathers" had benevolence of the WHOLE in mind the better off we'll be going forward.

As a leftist friend put it...

"The pattern that was set by the Revolution and the Constitution persists today. The net results of that pattern are tyranny and destruction. Who was set free by the revolution and for what purposes? Who is protected by the Constitution? Those who find a way to rise, to make a fortune one way or another - born to it, marry it, use capitalism to amass it, kiss up to it as some sort of court jester - as with the attorneys for the wealthy and powerful. This is a distinctly American pattern, and is not a law of the universe or the inevitable outcome of something about human nature.

This new class - from New England shipping magnates to slave traders to bankers to real estate speculators to brokers to dealers and developers, with their connections and law degrees and control over the legislatures - ascended to power and remains in power. Those whose skills and contributions cannot be leveraged into massive fortunes are left behind. We can't expect a nurse or a teacher to make a fortune selling their skills on the supposed free market, and that means they are powerless in the American system, unless they organize, and the history of the country is an ongoing ruthless suppression of such organizing.

The Revolution liberated, and the Constitution protects, a new group of striving, upwardly mobile men and a particular path to amassing wealth and gaining power. The crown was a check on their lust for power. The working class didn't benefit by the Revolution and is not protected by the Constitution. Were that true, then we would expect to find that the working class would have been dramatically worse off in Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and in the UK itself over the years.

We are to believe that because we threw off the monarchy, and because we don't have a European style landed aristocracy, that we are therefore “free.” Pointing out that there were working class men fighting in the Revolution who, "whether or not they had property demanded the franchise" tells us nothing. Working class people at all times and places have yearned to overthrow the tyranny of the aristocracy. That doesn't legitimatize or mitigate the replacement of one tyranny with another."

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These people are enthused because they see an oppurtunity to fight the corruption of rhett o rick Nov 2015 #1
Great post Android3.14 Nov 2015 #9
Those that hold on to the apron strings of the 1%, afraid to fight for freedoms and liberties, make rhett o rick Nov 2015 #10
"Our founders" were white capitalist slave-owners... AOR Nov 2015 #16
However, it was the best that had come along at the time. And most of the founders rhett o rick Nov 2015 #17
The only positive in the fable of the "founding fathers" for leftists and the working class... AOR Nov 2015 #19
I don't mind a good discussion. Rare here. I believe that the American Revolution rhett o rick Nov 2015 #24
The situation could be changed and it must be... AOR Nov 2015 #26
But when you get any group together, the smartest, the most educated, the most dynamic, will step up rhett o rick Nov 2015 #29
The Constitution is a political document, not an economic one. senz Nov 2015 #18
Your post is nonsense... AOR Nov 2015 #22
No, your post is nonsense... senz Nov 2015 #23
You're preaching in the wrong pew and to the wrong choir my liberal friend... AOR Nov 2015 #25
+1 aidbo Nov 2015 #12
What is the venue in Cleveland tonight, and what is its capacity? kath Nov 2015 #2
Wolstein Center at Cleveland State University - According to Wikipedia it can hold 15k think Nov 2015 #3
thanks! Hope they fill it up, and then some. kath Nov 2015 #5
It's filled... and then some. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #7
Wolstein Center Fawke Em Nov 2015 #4
Thanks! kath Nov 2015 #6
Anybody know if and when he is coming to Michigan? harris8 Nov 2015 #8
yes, but are those scientific lines? smiley Nov 2015 #11
Cleveland Rawkes (misspelled in tribute to OP author) aidbo Nov 2015 #13
Bernie, baby! Everybody thinks you're unelectable. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #14
Thanks for the post. jhart3333 Nov 2015 #15
The MSM don't think Bernie's electable, but the people do. senz Nov 2015 #20
Bernie!! AzDar Nov 2015 #21
Hmm Fawke Em...just noticed this OP was in the Bernie group... AOR Nov 2015 #27
Well done. Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #28
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