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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Wed May 1, 2019, 09:41 PM May 2019

NYT: Biden's son's dealings with Ukraine and Trump/Gulliani plan to capitalize [View all]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/politics/biden-son-ukraine.html
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The Trump team’s efforts to draw attention to the Bidens’ work in Ukraine, which is already yielding coverage in conservative media, has been led partly by Rudolph W. Giuliani, who served as a lawyer for Mr. Trump in the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. Mr. Giuliani’s involvement raises questions about whether Mr. Trump is endorsing an effort to push a foreign government to proceed with a case that could hurt a political opponent at home.

Mr. Giuliani has discussed the Burisma investigation, and its intersection with the Bidens, with the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor general and the current prosecutor. He met with the current prosecutor multiple times in New York this year. The current prosecutor general later told associates that, during one of the meetings, Mr. Giuliani called Mr. Trump excitedly to brief him on his findings, according to people familiar with the conversations.

Mr. Giuliani declined to comment on any such phone call with Mr. Trump, but acknowledged that he has discussed the matter with the president on multiple occasions. Mr. Trump, in turn, recently suggested he would like Attorney General William P. Barr to look into the material gathered by the Ukrainian prosecutors — echoing repeated calls from Mr. Giuliani for the Justice Department to investigate the Bidens’ Ukrainian work and other connections between Ukraine and the United States.

Mr. Giuliani said he got involved because he was seeking to counter the Mueller investigation with evidence that Democrats conspired with sympathetic Ukrainians to help initiate what became the special counsel’s inquiry.

Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s personal lawyer, called for investigations into the Bidens’ connections with Ukraine.CreditJoshua Roberts/Reuters
“I can assure you this all started with an allegation about possible Ukrainian involvement in the investigation of Russian meddling, and not Biden,” Mr. Giuliani said. “The Biden piece is collateral to the bigger story, but must still be investigated, but without the prejudgments that infected the collusion story.”

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The younger Mr. Biden said in the statement, “At no time have I discussed with my father the company’s business, or my board service, including my initial decision to join the board.”

Mr. Lutsenko denied any political motivation in reopening the case.

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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They've always insisted that working with Ukraine is just peachy. TwilightZone May 2019 #1
Ukraine enid602 May 2019 #28
Totally Don't Care.... LovingA2andMI May 2019 #2
Biden UkraineHillary's emails....nothingburgers leftofcool May 2019 #3
Or not! Cha May 2019 #4
No kidding. It is the one true skill they have - swift boating. nt Lucky Luciano May 2019 #20
Unlike Trump, Biden has shown us tax returns. We know Biden isn't dependent on Russia. SunSeeker May 2019 #5
Excellent POINTS, SunSeeker! Cha May 2019 #22
Yup, NYT is publishing a false story against a Dem in a pathetic attempt to show "balance." SunSeeker May 2019 #65
Weak sauce dalton99a May 2019 #6
I guess creepy Joe Biden failed failed for Trump's increasingly desperate Demsrule86 May 2019 #58
This is unbelievable. PLEASE stop this, it serves absolutely no purpose. George II May 2019 #7
This is a garbage story that's been floated by Faux News, especially Hannity, and even less credible highplainsdem May 2019 #8
Pales in comparison to Trump's spawn... Indygram May 2019 #9
There is nothing in the Democratic camp that can compare to 1% of the malfeasance among Republicans dalton99a May 2019 #13
True. highplainsdem May 2019 #15
Just more Ghouliani bullshit! Crowman2009 May 2019 #10
Wouldn't surprise me if Giuliani has been offering bribes of some type to try to create problems for highplainsdem May 2019 #14
Kind of explains why trump chose Rudy over Christy Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #23
Hmmm...it seems that progressoid May 2019 #11
Tad Devine was negotiating to continue work with Manafort in Ukraine as late as 2014, the year highplainsdem May 2019 #12
Ah, right... 2014 progressoid May 2019 #19
Sounds to me like Clarity2 May 2019 #77
"Worked in Ukraine" --- that's not what the suspicions about R B Garr May 2019 #54
OK, explain it to me. progressoid May 2019 #68
I already did explain that working in Ukraine isn't R B Garr May 2019 #69
OK progressoid May 2019 #70
You originally said "working in Ukraine". R B Garr May 2019 #74
"working in Ukraine" "Devine Manafort connection" progressoid May 2019 #75
Not to me...see the Russians supported Sanders according to Mueller in 16 somewhat so Demsrule86 May 2019 #59
You already support Biden so of course it's not a big deal to you. But to those swing voters progressoid May 2019 #66
Here's the thing. Joe Biden etc ain't gonna spend the next 2 years lying about it. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #16
No. And this unfair attack on Biden might very well lead President Obama and other world leaders highplainsdem May 2019 #17
Judd Legum and Jon Favreau on this stupid story: highplainsdem May 2019 #18
Trump's personal lawyer is conspiring with a foreign govt for advantage over a rival candidate muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #21
Josh Marshall nailed it. highplainsdem May 2019 #25
Trump just retweeted a Ken Vogel tweet about the story, this one: highplainsdem May 2019 #24
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #26
You appear to be Cha May 2019 #30
Just his behavior elfin May 2019 #32
No it is not. Demsrule86 May 2019 #57
It is not a big deal...total bullshit Demsrule86 May 2019 #34
Easy peasey... Zoonart May 2019 #27
Another example of the swamp dweller pointing out an opponent's scuffed shoe bigbrother05 May 2019 #29
This should blow up in Giuliani's face. It is Giuliani delisen May 2019 #31
It's been out there for a long time, on video even, no one cared Baclava May 2019 #33
That's the kind of President I want. Go joe. Demsrule86 May 2019 #35
No one cared because everyone knew Shokin was corrupt and Biden and Obama did the right thing. highplainsdem May 2019 #36
well yeah, but to pretend it didn't happen is foolish, sweeping it under the rug won't help Baclava May 2019 #37
Nothing happened. So unless some are doing this to hurt Biden for the Demsrule86 May 2019 #39
I have no problem with anyone talking about what actually happened. I object to the RW lie highplainsdem May 2019 #40
Look into what?? What supposedly happened? themaguffin May 2019 #38
Hoarse Whisperer tweet: Two weeks ago, Ken Vogel of the NYT used emails hacked by Russia in a sleazy highplainsdem May 2019 #41
So this is the incredibly scandalous matter that is enveloping Joe Biden? Let's see: Tommy_Carcetti May 2019 #42
Whitewater was totally a small domestic investment. delisen May 2019 #44
People are not seeing the damage this will do, along with other things in Biden's record. marylandblue May 2019 #43
And they won't do stuff to Mayor Pete? This is stupid and easily refutable. Demsrule86 May 2019 #46
If course they will go after Pete, but I back him because so far he has good answers marylandblue May 2019 #48
I don't think Mayor Pete wins a general. Demsrule86 May 2019 #50
Of course you don't, you've already decided that Biden is the only possibility marylandblue May 2019 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author marylandblue May 2019 #71
Seems more like wishful thinking to me. BannonsLiver May 2019 #60
Why would I wish something like that? marylandblue May 2019 #73
A contractor working on my house brought this up the other day StarfishSaver May 2019 #45
He's apparently getting his "news" from Fox, Breitbart, WND, etc. highplainsdem May 2019 #47
Scathing thread about what's wrong with NYT story by expert on oligarchs/kleptocrats: highplainsdem May 2019 #49
ThinkProgress's Ian Millhiser is also recommending this thread: highplainsdem May 2019 #64
This is a disaster for Biden BeyondGeography May 2019 #51
I see a lot of smears that won't work...undecided ha. Demsrule86 May 2019 #53
Yes, that and a lot of wishful thinking masquerading as concern. BannonsLiver May 2019 #61
Yep. This is so obvious. I feel their desperation as Bernie facades in the primary. Demsrule86 May 2019 #62
I say ... Mme. Defarge May 2019 #52
I'm with you BRING IT! DVRacer May 2019 #56
This story is all rightie sources other than the Times bullshit. Joe will be just fine. Demsrule86 May 2019 #55
With all maggots MFM008 May 2019 #63
This is nothing more than . . . peggysue2 May 2019 #67
What a trump. They botched up their own oppo. C_U_L8R May 2019 #76
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