Democratic Primaries

Garrett78

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49. I don't accept the premise that he's our strongest candidate.

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 09:23 PM

Mar 2019

Biden made sense as a VP selection for Obama. It was a strategic and wise choice.

But Biden is gaffe-prone, has quite a bit of baggage and he'll be 78 years old. His 2 previous attempts to get nominated came up way, way short. He left the 1988 campaign very early after facing accusations. In 2008, he dropped out after getting just 4% in Iowa. Pre-Obama Biden was never considered a strong candidate for POTUS. And had he not been VP, nobody would be clamoring for a 76-year-old white male with baggage and a penchant for sticking his foot in his mouth.

There were many factors at play in 2016 that won't be at play in 2020. Prior to 2016, we had dominated WI, MI and PA ever since 1992. This notion that we must nominate a white male to win those states is not justified. There will inevitably be anti-Clinton Trump voters who vote Dem in 2020, but it would be foolish to center a campaign or nominee choice on flipping Trump voters. We win by turning out our base the way we did in 2018.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Please stop talking, Joe! [View all] EffieBlack Mar 2019 OP

Not possible jberryhill Mar 2019 #1

He backed off this and self-corrected... hlthe2b Mar 2019 #2

A Democratic politician at this stage of his career shouldn't have to "walk back" comments that are EffieBlack Mar 2019 #6

It was inappropriate. This is Biden at his core. He WANTS to see the better self in all. hlthe2b Mar 2019 #7

Exactly! You have to remember too that he knew Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #30

Agree 100 percent secondwind Mar 2019 #53

He didn't really walk it back. He just explained the foreign R B Garr Mar 2019 #9

It's almost like in today's world, you have to review Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #31

Biden likes everybody, Democrats as well a Republicans... Stellar Mar 2019 #64

His whole foreign policy speech was excellent. His R B Garr Mar 2019 #3

Of course it wasn't, but it should be a lesson to all our candidates the microscope they are under still_one Mar 2019 #5

Sure, as we all should be aware of context. nt R B Garr Mar 2019 #12

No kidding still_one Mar 2019 #18

Well, I kind of meant who is doing the attacking, R B Garr Mar 2019 #20

I agree still_one Mar 2019 #25

Joe is an old fashioned American politician who comes from a time where they were decent to each Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #28

It might be better to say... Back when I knew so and so Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #32

Thank-you for putting in the full context Effie, including Biden's response. That advice, "think still_one Mar 2019 #4

Joe, the gaffe machine. n/t monmouth4 Mar 2019 #8

+1 JonLP24 Mar 2019 #65

Golden rule: Tack left in primaries-right in the general. Funtatlaguy Mar 2019 #10

I like Bernie'a golden rule: be a leader by telling voters honestly, consistently & unapologetically InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #61

Joe Biden was in the middle of taking apart the Trump Administration... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #11

When a comment needs this much explanation, it's a problem EffieBlack Mar 2019 #37

Only for those who are adverse to critical thinking CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #39

Which includes a lot of voters EffieBlack Mar 2019 #40

Not Biden voters CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #43

At this point, there aren't enough "Biden voters" to win bin the nomination and a general election EffieBlack Mar 2019 #44

I entirely disagree that there are not enough Biden voters. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #47

Joe certainly would start as the odds on favorite given his significant name recognition... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #51

"Significant name recognition" is damning with faith praise. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #55

Keep dreamin. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #59

**THIS** InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #62

Too late ... by about 20-30 years. This has always been Joe's problem. He's too honest; KPN Mar 2019 #13

You can't compromise with crazy or ruthless people. Funtatlaguy Mar 2019 #63

Well, you can -- but it's self-defeating. I believe we as a whole have done that too many times in KPN Mar 2019 #67

Some seem to only remember Biden as lovable Uncle Joe who pals around with Obama buying burgers. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #14

The 40% of exclusive Fox watching Funtatlaguy Mar 2019 #15

+1 rogue emissary Mar 2019 #16

Also the bankruptcy bill. nt tblue37 Mar 2019 #33

Ugh, forgot that one. rogue emissary Mar 2019 #34

That baggage and his age would weigh on him heavily. I completely disagree... Garrett78 Mar 2019 #50

There is a reason that one of the greatest presidents in the history of the republic... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #17

I don't accept the premise that he's our strongest candidate. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #49

Biden was a strategic and wise choice in 2008 and the same is true in 2020. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #56

Exactly. ucrdem Mar 2019 #58

No reason to stay out of red states, though. R B Garr Mar 2019 #19

K&R WeekiWater Mar 2019 #21

Joe is just fine Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #22

There is a world of difference between "bashing" and "criticizing" jberryhill Mar 2019 #23

Talk about not understanding differences Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #24

Okay, okay, you're right jberryhill Mar 2019 #46

Your analogy is a little bit over the top, no? still_one Mar 2019 #27

You're right, sorry jberryhill Mar 2019 #45

That surely was a zaney and madcap comment. defacto7 Mar 2019 #54

Joe is honest mainstreetonce Mar 2019 #26

I do like that about Joe. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #60

It seems that even faint praise for a Republican is no longer allowed marylandblue Mar 2019 #29

This wasn't faint praise for just any Republican EffieBlack Mar 2019 #38

Bullocks. Joe Biden was not praising or validating Pence. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #41

Still don't think it's a big deal that he said something nice about Pence. marylandblue Mar 2019 #48

If you see the speech, it's barely a noticeable passing R B Garr Mar 2019 #52

this is what i took the comment to mean- the silence wasnt about pence mopinko Mar 2019 #35

You are a decent guy Joe Andy823 Mar 2019 #36

Mountain out of molehill n/t Devil Child Mar 2019 #42

That's what it looks like. ucrdem Mar 2019 #57

Joe Biden said something he walked back and a lot of people are explaining away? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #66

Seems like Cynthia Nixon is auditioning to play the part of Susan Sarandon in the role of... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #68