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BlueWI

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145. I expressed my thoughts clearly. No need to go ad hominem
Sun May 5, 2019, 11:29 PM
May 2019

and project motives onto clear statements of fact and opinion.

Nefarious? That's your word. It was a significant and costly error in judgement. Nothing more and nothing less.





If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
It's like deja vu all over again. comradebillyboy May 2019 #1
Triangulation Bernie Style. Wait until Immigration and Gun Control Comes Up TomCADem May 2019 #119
last time he spent all his time attacking Hillary. trueblue2007 May 2019 #136
Yeah, if we feed the monster with praise and compliments, he will spare us dalton99a May 2019 #2
More feeding the monster from BS.. Cha May 2019 #83
Geez. No wonder Trump likes him so much dalton99a May 2019 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle May 2019 #3
WTF dalton99a May 2019 #4
Oh? Nuggets May 2019 #6
Sanders is totally attacking Trump.... RazBerryBeret May 2019 #5
Why did so many Democrats fall for the Bush/Cheney lies? SMC22307 May 2019 #8
water under the bridge... RazBerryBeret May 2019 #9
Yeah, one of the many destroyed bridges in Iraq. SMC22307 May 2019 #16
Water under the bridge? BlueWI May 2019 #50
How about talking about the good stuff Biden did. katmondoo May 2019 #10
Sure, just sweep the death, destruction, and obscene amounts of money spent... SMC22307 May 2019 #11
Obscene amounts of money that Bernie voted for? n/t namahage May 2019 #27
Thank you! John Fante May 2019 #30
How on earth did you derive that Sanders is a "peacenick"? SMC22307 May 2019 #35
Bernie also voted for military intervention for regime change in Iraq. Twice. In one year. ehrnst May 2019 #53
Well now..... George II May 2019 #74
Thank you for BS' record on Voting For Regime Cha May 2019 #86
So? Those weren't declarations of war. SMC22307 May 2019 #90
So... 500,000 deaths over the next 2 years are 'different' because it wasn't a 'declared war." ehrnst May 2019 #115
No mention of "military action in Iraq in 1998". rgbecker May 2019 #123
So, Bernie's two votes in 2003 were 'different' because REASONS. ehrnst May 2019 #125
"Bernie...may not had even been in the chamber." namahage May 2019 #151
BS is pro-gun, pro-Russia, voted for regime change in Iraq, and voted to fund the trillion dollar lapucelle May 2019 #157
+1 betsuni May 2019 #158
Interesting. sheshe2 May 2019 #94
F-16 soon to be F-35 with nuclear capability. sheshe2 May 2019 #124
Well, it seems some Senators are happy with "feeding the military industrial beast" ehrnst May 2019 #133
No. sheshe2 May 2019 #140
It's the pro-gun and pro-Russia votes that are problematic. lapucelle May 2019 #156
You have a problem with these Katrina-related and troops-supporting 'yea' votes? SMC22307 May 2019 #34
You missed another piece of troop support that Bernie was responsible for. namahage May 2019 #37
Indeed. The vetting won't be squelched this time around. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #57
Indeed not.. Cha May 2019 #108
Thank You for that, namahage.. Cha May 2019 #107
What percentage of the overall value of those bills are the items.... George II May 2019 #128
I'd love to read about those. Got any bill numbers? n/t namahage May 2019 #135
an F35 in every garage lol nt msongs May 2019 #38
seriously not being offensive. RazBerryBeret May 2019 #51
Here ya Go, katmondoo.. Cha May 2019 #113
Easy to quarterback from up in the balcony section. Amimnoch May 2019 #25
LOL Anyone with half a brain knew warmongers Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rummy, Feith, Wolfowitz, et al... SMC22307 May 2019 #31
the public in general didn't, apparently treestar May 2019 #63
Irrelevant, and completely contrary to the point. Amimnoch May 2019 #82
Not all Democrats fell for the BFEE lies... SMC22307 May 2019 #99
And in 1998, 30 voted against military action in Iraq.. ehrnst May 2019 #118
The bad, hard decision was the WRONG decision. theaocp May 2019 #36
I don't care Vidal May 2019 #40
Bernie gets EVERYTHING right - not just the IWR - when it comes to foreign policy. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #109
... BannonsLiver May 2019 #134
Attacking drumpf by licking him all over with praise in the statement? lark May 2019 #85
serious? RazBerryBeret May 2019 #105
Hey DU, the Iraq War was "like a hundred years ago"... SMC22307 May 2019 #7
Most people don't think that, just because one person said it. Agschmid May 2019 #14
I'd tend to agree... SMC22307 May 2019 #17
It didn't work against Hillary NYMinute May 2019 #19
And that speaks volumes about the American public. SMC22307 May 2019 #22
It also explains how folks can somehow justify in any way shape or form theaocp May 2019 #24
Yeah, "decent" Dick Cheney with his 11% approval rating. SMC22307 May 2019 #26
It seems to be the case with such votes in 1998. ehrnst May 2019 #121
Are you equating those votes to Cheney's war? n/t theaocp May 2019 #122
I don't know of anyone who would "equate votes to war." ehrnst May 2019 #127
It is a question of priorities and future NYMinute May 2019 #41
109,000+ people died in Iraq from 2003-2009. Agschmid May 2019 #44
Iraq war was a major fuck-up NYMinute May 2019 #49
Voting against the war was clearly warranted even in 2002. BlueWI May 2019 #52
Hindsight is 20/20 nt NYMinute May 2019 #54
Have you noticed that some in Congress and the Senate voted against the resolution? BlueWI May 2019 #81
I get it ... when someone votes your way, it is courage NYMinute May 2019 #97
I expressed my thoughts clearly. No need to go ad hominem BlueWI May 2019 #145
Actually though, your statement about my preference BlueWI May 2019 #149
And what about... ehrnst May 2019 #88
Is the answer to every question Bernie Sanders? BlueWI May 2019 #146
Great but that hardly means it's "water under the bridge". Agschmid May 2019 #60
I meant it as NYMinute May 2019 #62
But the candidate is directly involved in that history. Agschmid May 2019 #80
And do you feel the same about Sanders and his votes in 1998? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #93
Good question, ehrnst. Cha May 2019 #95
I do not support Sanders, and yes he should face questions as well. Agschmid May 2019 #117
I think that the defensive responses in this thread where I brought it up are telling. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #120
They sure are telling. BlueWI May 2019 #147
I am all about applying the same standard to all candidates . ehrnst May 2019 #159
If both candidates voted the same way BlueWI May 2019 #166
No, you aren't understanding what I am saying. ehrnst May 2019 #167
I suggest you stop believing everything "journalist" David Sirota writes emulatorloo May 2019 #126
Can't say I read his work. Agschmid May 2019 #129
You don't need to read him, because the work is pervasive anti-Biden anti-Beto hitpieces on the net. emulatorloo May 2019 #130
Got it. Agschmid May 2019 #131
See my full edit, just finished it emulatorloo May 2019 #132
Biden's vote needs to be discussed in a more nuanced way emmaverybo May 2019 #152
Hmm links to an article about a movie director for me? Agschmid May 2019 #155
That's one way to evade responding to the fact that Biden became a critic of the war. ehrnst May 2019 #168
Nuance is only applied to one candidate. All others are judged in good/evil no grey area terms. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #160
How many died in 1998? ehrnst May 2019 #87
1,500 as an estimation Agschmid May 2019 #89
Actually more than 500,00 Iraqi children are estimated to have been killed in that action. ehrnst May 2019 #92
Can you send the link to the number you quote? Agschmid May 2019 #102
Certainly: ehrnst May 2019 #112
Thank you, I was pretty young back then so I don't have memories of all of it. Agschmid May 2019 #116
Moreover BannonsLiver May 2019 #47
Where does decency end and responsibility for the horrors of Iraq begin? theaocp May 2019 #65
With the people who started the war, of course. BannonsLiver May 2019 #67
That would make them indecent, I would imagine. theaocp May 2019 #68
Who do you think is responsible for the war? BannonsLiver May 2019 #69
Cheney. n/t theaocp May 2019 #70
Well we agree then. BannonsLiver May 2019 #71
It says that most are not a one issue voter, and they went with the most qualified candidate lunamagica May 2019 #79
It didn't work against both Hillary and John Kerry. nt oasis May 2019 #46
It's hyperbole. TwilightZone May 2019 #55
most of the candidates can't be judged on what they would have done treestar May 2019 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter May 2019 #103
The good news is we have the perfect Democratic candidate who isn't fooled InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #114
American can do better than that. We NEED better than that. NurseJackie May 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author NYMinute May 2019 #13
I bet Putin is smiling ..... NYMinute May 2019 #15
Did just that this morning on ABC liberal N proud May 2019 #18
Maybe they can just call each other theaocp May 2019 #21
Does he really have any friends in the Senate? comradebillyboy May 2019 #150
From ABC News: George II May 2019 #20
.. Cha May 2019 #100
Haha, praising Trump! Where is the crowd that comes unglued R B Garr May 2019 #23
Bernie is just trying to appeal to the economically anxious John Fante May 2019 #32
+1 NYMinute May 2019 #42
Yep mcar May 2019 #61
That's right.. omg! Where are they?!! Cha May 2019 #110
Just a reminder... LuvLoogie May 2019 #28
Not a peacenik either despite his kid glove treatment John Fante May 2019 #33
Sanders can't seem to come up with new material. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #29
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog May 2019 #39
Bernie says: "vote for me because Biden voted for the Iraq War" but . . . Vidal May 2019 #43
If that were all that SBS did - attack - then I would agree. But its not. floppyboo May 2019 #104
Biden's Iraq vote is complicated, and he later became a critic emmaverybo May 2019 #45
He knows which voters he's chasing... SidDithers May 2019 #48
So, Bernie is chasing racists? theaocp May 2019 #66
Bernie is chasing white voters, who didn't mind voting for a racist in 2016... SidDithers May 2019 #72
What do you think? theaocp May 2019 #75
I agree with The Rude Pundit on this one... SidDithers May 2019 #91
Not racists, just people uncomfortable with voting for African Americans. n/t namahage May 2019 #73
So, bigots, then? theaocp May 2019 #76
No appreciable difference, really. namahage May 2019 #78
IMHO, that was Bernie Sanders' (I-VT) revmclaren May 2019 #143
Conveniently Sanders forgets he voted for the Iraq Liberation Act which was the precursor to still_one May 2019 #56
Profoundly disappointing news. DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #58
... mcar May 2019 #59
Kissing up to murderous dictators Progressive dog May 2019 #77
It's troubling. But his supporters are eating it up. Politicub May 2019 #84
No one should EVER foget the Iraq War. floppyboo May 2019 #96
Somebody should kindly remind BS that Biden is the one who voted for: Cha May 2019 #98
Good God BannonsLiver May 2019 #101
Yes BS has opened to door to his record being exposed.. Cha May 2019 #106
Maybe it was one of those situations like gun control...missing children in Vermont are different... George II May 2019 #137
Yes BannonsLiver May 2019 #139
Cheers to Bernie for the... Mike Nelson May 2019 #111
It may not be the whole story, but it's the only one that counts floppyboo May 2019 #141
Bernie Sanders criticizes Trump all the time. NT Eric J in MN May 2019 #142
Except when he's praising tRump for his revmclaren May 2019 #144
Let's keep it real here. Bernie rags on rump all the time. He should stick to just that. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #148
And Biden actively endorsed and campaigned for a rethug Tiggeroshii May 2019 #153
Endorsed and campaigned? No he didn't. betsuni May 2019 #154
Biden has attacked Bernie, in fact, wants to kill him because a woman Biden made Autumn May 2019 #161
You just made an accusation that Biden wants to literally "kill" Sanders in your title. still_one May 2019 #162
It's not my accusation. That's exactly what Biden said according to one of his top backers. Autumn May 2019 #163
That is garbage, and you know it. First of all you are basing it on ONE of his unamed supporters. still_one May 2019 #164
Again. Not my accusation. Got quite a few recs when the story broke. Autumn May 2019 #165
Great. Can already see us divided and losing again. Losing as in not winning in EC Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #169
From my twitter feed Gothmog May 2019 #170
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